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Sep 17, 2012 14:30 |  #16

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G15 is f/1.8-f/2.8, the S110 is f/2-f/5.9. That right there is reason enough, but you can add on an external flash, have more intuitive button layout, and more. I'd easily spend the extra $50 for a G15 over a S110.

+1 but you do loose out on 24mm to 28 on the wide end but I actually prefer the bigger body and the ability to ad a flash. Especially if you have a 270 or one of the smaller Canon flashes.


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Sep 17, 2012 14:33 |  #17

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Is the viewfinder improved? I can see removing the swivel for that.

Had they put in an EVF I could at least sympathize with the change, although that would still make it more difficult to do low-level shooting.

But nope, no change from the G11/G12. No exposure info nor info of any kind, no crosshair or focus indicator. Inaccurate for framing, and generally all but useless for anything other than an emergency.


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Sep 17, 2012 14:47 as a reply to  @ post 15004463 |  #18

I don't find I am impressed, by the brighter lens. I use a tripod for low light, just as I have for years. I also am not a fan of high ISO shots, well at least above 400, and less if I can in anyway get by. For a lot of years I used only an F-2.8, and that is all I really wont. More glass more weight, bigger and more costly filters also go along with large glass.

Nope, F-1.8 does not impress me in the least; what does however is, what is taken away.


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Sep 17, 2012 18:01 |  #19

Tommydigi wrote in post #15004496 (external link)
+1 but you do loose out on 24mm to 28 on the wide end but I actually prefer the bigger body and the ability to ad a flash. Especially if you have a 270 or one of the smaller Canon flashes.

yep - love the hotshoe G12 option and I'm thinking 270EX II as a 2nd flash and G12 flash


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Sep 17, 2012 18:06 |  #20

I have a 270II as well so this seems to make sense for me. I keep putting off getting a smaller camera but I think I am finally going to get one.


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Sep 17, 2012 23:34 as a reply to  @ Tommydigi's post |  #21

Do you mean get a G12 - or a small hot-shoe equipped premium compact?

Ya know, the more I think about it... and I was not sitting in on Canon's marketing department's control focus groups for what G Series users and enthusiest photographers want in a new G series camera - but man - Canon tells us that they ditched the flippity screen so it would be more pocketable? Thats what the S100 etc is all about!

Ya messed up Canon and I don't hope for poor sales but I hope you do get the message after your 2nd quarted sales reports that G Series users want the flippity screen...

oh well, I can only hope it re-appears for the G16... or will it be the G18 next?


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Sep 18, 2012 00:09 |  #22

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oh well, I can only hope it re-appears for the G16... or will it be the G18 next?

Maybe it will be the G Golly!!


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Sep 18, 2012 00:23 |  #23

No flippy screen decided it for me. A no go.


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Sep 18, 2012 00:43 as a reply to  @ etaV8R's post |  #24

I don't think anyone who has owned a G-11/12, would like this unworthy sucessor very much. I am really not certian, the IQ will be any better if any at all. Just because it is a CMOS, does not guarantee that.
The size and number of photosites (MP), determines the noise factor including the size of the individual diodes. This sensor is the same physical size, with a 2MP increase, which says they (the diodes) will also be smaller. These two factors say there can be just as much noise, perhaps more than the G-12.

The Digic 5 processors claim is not better noise reduction, but faster processing with higher burst rates. So again, I really would not recommend this camera to previous G owners, I am afraid they would be highly disappointed.


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Sep 18, 2012 01:33 |  #25

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I am just trying to figure why people would buy this, vs a s110, they both seem to be very close in performance, and the s110 will fit in your pocket?

I have big hands and I like my G for its ergonomics and versatility. The S100 is a terrific camera but just too small for me to be comfortable with.

I see nothing in the press release that convinces me to trade my camera for the G15 but I will reserve final judgement until I actually get to shoot with one.




  
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Sep 18, 2012 02:21 |  #26

Bought the G11 as I thought I really would want/use the OVF - and found I never use that but always flip out the LCD (useful for all shots but essential for low level/macro)

So won't be getting the G15 - nor the G1X as doesn't really do macros. Now looking to the competition!


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Sep 18, 2012 08:08 |  #27

steve40 wrote in post #15007322 (external link)
I don't think anyone who has owned a G-11/12, would like this unworthy sucessor very much. I am really not certian, the IQ will be any better if any at all. Just because it is a CMOS, does not guarantee that.
The size and number of photosites (MP), determines the noise factor including the size of the individual diodes. This sensor is the same physical size, with a 2MP increase, which says they (the diodes) will also be smaller. These two factors say there can be just as much noise, perhaps more than the G-12.

The Digic 5 processors claim is not better noise reduction, but faster processing with higher burst rates. So again, I really would not recommend this camera to previous G owners, I am afraid they would be highly disappointed.

The sensor is based on the S110 sensor, similar to the S100, so I don't think there's much question that there will be an improvement in IQ, that's pretty much been demonstrated in comparing the S95 to the S100. Granted it's going to be a somewhat marginal improvement only moving up from one generation on a small-ish P&S sensor.

I think the much brighter lens is the really big deal in this regard. If you're worried about noise, having a lens that 2-3 stops faster will let you shoot lower ISOs far more often.

Ultimately I think it's going to be a good camera for people who do a lot of indoor shooting, not only because you have a much faster lens, but also with the hotshoe the possibility for bounced flash opens up (as long as you have a flash with a tilt and/or swivel). The loss of the tilt screen on the other hand really sucks if you like to shoot outdoors, shoot macro, or shoot video. The faster lens doesn't really help you out in any of those regards except video.


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Sep 18, 2012 09:01 |  #28

I just saw this as I was reviewing the Panasonic camera on special at Amazon this morning. Very exciting. I have loved my G12, never used the swivel screen much, so this is much better for me. Thinking about giving the G12 to my son and getting the G15 sometime next year. N*kon just announced their version to go head-to-head with the G15. Should be an interesting comparison.


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Sep 18, 2012 10:10 |  #29

SuzyView wrote in post #15008463 (external link)
I just saw this as I was reviewing the Panasonic camera on special at Amazon this morning. Very exciting. I have loved my G12, never used the swivel screen much, so this is much better for me. Thinking about giving the G12 to my son and getting the G15 sometime next year. N*kon just announced their version to go head-to-head with the G15. Should be an interesting comparison.

What was the Nikon by the way?

I just read about 10fps. Match that with the faster chip and better low light performance it could be what I am missing in my g10 which is great for most situations but lacks for kids indoors without a flash. I look forwards to the reviews.

I keep wondering if I will miss the iso dial.




  
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Sep 18, 2012 10:11 |  #30

SuzyView wrote in post #15008463 (external link)
... Thinking about giving the G12 to my son and getting the G15 sometime next year. N*kon just announced their version to go head-to-head with the G15. Should be an interesting comparison.

looks interesting... lost its OVF but gained a full flippity screen & faster lens
[We can thank the Lumix FZ200 for speeding up lenses lately :cool: (f/2.8 constant over 24x zoom)]

http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/nikon-coolpix-p7700/ (external link)

And something about wireless flash functionality...

I wonder how it would communicate with a 320EX II...


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