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Sep 17, 2012 10:18 |  #1

Well, I've been a member of this wonderful forum for many years now. I've never been shy about the fact I've got a lot of gear and little talent. Just don't have an artistic eye and probably never will. But I'll also never stop trying because I love this hobby. However, I've never posted a photo in this section. Not sure why. Maybe I'll find out after this. :lol:

Recently I got a Lee Big Stopper. I've only had one outing with it. It was fun.

Yesterday went for a bike ride to the top of a dam and didn't bring it because I wasn't carrying my tripod while riding a bike. Good thing, as a cable on my real derrailer broke and I wound up pedaling back up steep hills in a very hard gear.

Without further adieu, handheld, 1/6th, f/32, ISO 100: Does it suck?

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Sep 17, 2012 10:21 |  #2

BTW, here's the full scene. The above is not a crop but merely zoomed in with the 70-200 f2.8 IS II:

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Sep 17, 2012 10:29 |  #3

Well, I'll be dammed!

I take back half of the nasty comments I've ever said about you and your photog talents.


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Sep 17, 2012 10:41 |  #4

It's pretty sharp but I wish it was shot just a bit looser - like the waterfalls were framed somehow.


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Sep 17, 2012 11:10 |  #5

MDJAK wrote in post #15003236 (external link)
Just don't have an artistic eye and probably never will.

Woah there. The pervasive social notion that artistic ability is something you're born with or not is largely misguided; while people are certainly born with various aptitudes, aptitude is not the same thing as skill, and even someone born with a strong aptitude has to work to develop an associated skill. Likewise, someone who may not have an inherent aptitude for something can nevertheless develop their skill, it just may take a little longer. My point is that anyone can develop an artistic eye if they work at it, so don't give up. Read some books about composition and other artistic factors which apply to photography, and then just keep practising and practising until it becomes second nature. Believe me, it will. You just have to keep at it, and drop this destructive belief of yours that you can't.

Having said all that, I unfortunately do have to admit that I don't feel these images are particularly strong. Argh, I hate doing this after posting some encouragement above, so please don't think I'm now destroying your dreams! There's a saying something along the lines of every painter having 1000 bad paintings in them, which they need to get rid of before the good ones start coming out. I guess it's just a flowery analogy for practice. In the case of these photos, I think it's great that you were trying something creative (looking for an area of interest to crop to is a good thing) but I don't personally feel that the monochrome processing is really adding anything to the photo. Mono works really well for subjects with strong shapes, outlines, lines, contrast and texture. It's best to actually shoot with monochrome specifically in mind, which I don't think was the case here.

The shot doesn't, as you asked, "suck" but it's not particularly evocative or memorable either. But don't despair! If this place is near you, then why not go back with your Stopper and try more angles and exposure times? Don't be afraid to try lots of different approaches with the same subject. Try to look for strong, interesting shapes in the scene and focus on those to create a composition that works well. Instead of looking in a photo for something interesting after the fact, look for the interesting features when you're there in front of the subject itself with your camera. Having an "artistic eye" is really just about being able to spot shapes and work with them. It really is something that anyone can master if they read the right instructional material and put what they've learned into practice. Michael Freeman's The Photographer's Eye is a really great book which may help you by giving you things to think about when you're out and about with your camera.

But at the end of the day, the most important thing for you is that you're having fun.


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Sep 17, 2012 11:11 |  #6

Trash! :lol: Just sell all the gear off and get yourself an iphone. I just saved you 10K :lol:


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Sep 17, 2012 11:11 |  #7

It's an in-between shot with regards to the water motion. For something like this, I'd prefer the water to be more silky smooth using a longer shutter speed. The BW conversion looks rather bland as well. Any reason for BW?




  
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Sep 17, 2012 15:06 |  #8

Second one is pretty good. The first one isn't bad, but it feels like it's missing something. Maybe it's too tight. I think i'd like it better if you could see more of the water source, i guess. Maybe a vertical shot of the water falling onto the rocks in the background or something.


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Sep 17, 2012 19:15 |  #9

Well, now that I've wiped the tears from my eyes, I can reply. ;) ;)

I actually want to thank those who replied. I have very thick skin.

Nick, no reason for B&W, besides the fact there was little to no color present, other than some green leaves, and I thought B&W made the rocks look black and so better.

Omar, Thank you as always. Appreciate you saving me money. Now go put your spandex back on. ;) :lol:

Kevan, you da man. Next time, don't sabotage my bicycle just because I'm riding faster than you with my peg leg. ;)

Emelvee, thank you, and I agree. I posted it more to show I got some silky water without the big stopper and handheld, but I realized it wasn't a particularly evocative shot.

Jeremy (my son's name), thank you, and you are correct in your comments.

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ONONA: Thank you very much for taking the time to comment as extensively as you did. I actually have that book, as I buy lots of photo-related books. I'll have to take it off my bookshelf, dust it off, and reread it. It's been a long time since I have.

You really know how to give a guy hope of getting better, and I mean that. I guess I was under a mistaken impression that artistic ability and the ability to see what's there to be seen is a trait you're either born with or you ain't.

Thanks again, all.




  
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Sep 17, 2012 19:28 as a reply to  @ MDJAK's post |  #10

Glad to be of help. Like I said, just keep at it! Definitely give that book a dusting and a re-read, because it's packed with loads of good information. Some of it may take a while to really sink in, but the trick is to work through the book slowly and try out everything the author talks about to see how it works. That book was specifically written for folks like yourself, who simply need a few nudges in the right direction. Even the most basic compositional rules, like the rule of thirds, can improve anyone's photography significantly with immediate effect, provided they always keep it in mind when looking through the viewfinder. This stuff really will eventually become second nature to you, provided you keep practising.

So get out there and keep shooting!


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Sep 17, 2012 20:42 |  #11

You need to boost the whites in this B&W. This will raise contrast and improve it a bit. Keep posting and you'll improve rapidly.


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Sep 17, 2012 20:57 |  #12

mdjak - one thing with water falls is for a really good shot they need to either come from somewhere or be going somewhere- preferably both caught in the shot. They provide context and scale. Your shot is too tight, it provides none of the above. Take a look at a couple of the waterfall shots you really like - they will likely have these elements to them.

Trust me... I have lots of shots like yours... then someone pointed this out to me and all of a sudden composiing them made a lot more sense. You could boost contrast, sharpen, play with levels till the cows come home... the composition just isn't that strong. Sorry.

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Sep 17, 2012 21:47 |  #13

Mark I can't put on what you haven't returned! :lol:


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Sep 17, 2012 22:15 |  #14

Mark,

Per the camera, give up all hope.

Look at all the free time I just gave yuh. Course, B&H might have to shutter their windows.


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Sep 17, 2012 22:19 |  #15

Kevan,

Are you implying he stop burning money? I think we have a better chance at seeing Nick take us all out to dinner on him :lol:


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