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Feb 04, 2013 20:44 |  #2461

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Just got mine in the mail, I hit the Sigma lottery. I bought a 35L at the same time and was planning on sending one or the other back (was assuming I'd be sending the Sigma back) but the 35L is going back. Better in every way.

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Feb 04, 2013 23:39 |  #2462

Had mine for a few weeks. Within 3 feet it works flawlessly wide open. Anything over that and it's a crapshoot. Dunno if I'd ever bring this on a paying job, but should be fun to use on my kids.


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Feb 04, 2013 23:44 |  #2463
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AltgnJoey wrote in post #15573597 (external link)
Had mine for a few weeks. Within 3 feet it works flawlessly wide open. Anything over that and it's a crapshoot. Dunno if I'd ever bring this on a paying job, but should be fun to use on my kids.

Exactly like my copy...:oops:


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Feb 04, 2013 23:46 |  #2464

catchquan wrote in post #15572526 (external link)
Just got mine in the mail, I hit the Sigma lottery. I bought a 35L at the same time and was planning on sending one or the other back (was assuming I'd be sending the Sigma back) but the 35L is going back. Better in every way.

In the short duration of time I'll assure you you have not tested the lens thoroughly. You'll require alot of time to test in different environments with all sorts of lighting and mixed lighting.


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Feb 05, 2013 00:19 as a reply to  @ AltgnJoey's post |  #2465

Soooo...

I'm a total noob to photography, but been having fun taking pics for a few years. Nothing I do looks as good as most of what gets posted here, so I have never posted pics, and rarely post messages at all.

Reason for above is to preface what follows...

I bought this lens after reading the first 30-50 pages of this thread as it developed. I've had it for several weeks now. I currently have a 7d, and alternately trying to convince myself I need/don't need a Mark III...

Anyway, the first several weeks all of my pics with this looked very sharp, in whatever light I tried. Outside sunny, cloudy, overcast... Inside multiple locations around my house...

It did require some initial MA, but was great after that. Anything that wasn't sharp I could easily attribute to my lack of skill.

So tonight, my wife had a new swimsuit, and asked me to take a few pics so she could see how she looked. We took the pics in the hallway, which we had *NOT* done yet...

EVERY SINGLE pic was out of focus!?!?

I tried lots of combos of f/stop iso shutter speed... Nothing helped. Switched to Live View and perfect focus?!?! Got really pissed, and switched to other lens, much better... WTF???

Decided to quit before frustration caused the early death of a 7d, so she went into the bathroom to shower. I said wait, let me try in here (bathroom) instead... And guess what-Perfect focus again!?!?

Finally made it to my point. While I really didn't consider myself skillful enough to add legitimate value to this conversation before, I definitely do now. This lens has been great until today. Way better than my talent could use. But I certainly see, and add my dubious voice to reporting that this lens has an issue in certain light.

The funny thing is, until today, 99% of the pics I took were at 1.4, as this is my first lens to goes that big. But in my hallway, my sigma 17-50 2.8 is much sharper at 2.8 than this sigma 35 1.4 is at 1.4, 2, 2.8... All the way to f8, where camera shake or iso noise was causing other issues...

But outside my hallway, anywhere else so far, has been crazy sharp.

YMMV...




  
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Feb 05, 2013 00:51 |  #2466

AlanU wrote in post #15573606 (external link)
In the short duration of time I'll assure you you have not tested the lens thoroughly. You'll require alot of time to test in different environments with all sorts of lighting and mixed lighting.

Short time as in 2 days, probably over 5 hours in both a controlled environment and real world tests? The 35L is far softer across the board at all apertures, center point at f/1.4 is no where near as sharp as the S35 is center point. S35 is sharp form corner to corner (mostly) at f/1.4. Color contrast and saturation is much more desirable than the 35L. Bokeh is probably the only aspect it is not overly dominant in but I wouldn't call the 35L bokeh anything special either anyways.


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Feb 05, 2013 00:52 |  #2467

rjmcinnis wrote in post #15573696 (external link)
Soooo...

I'm a total noob to photography, but been having fun taking pics for a few years. Nothing I do looks as good as most of what gets posted here, so I have never posted pics, and rarely post messages at all.

Reason for above is to preface what follows...

I bought this lens after reading the first 30-50 pages of this thread as it developed. I've had it for several weeks now. I currently have a 7d, and alternately trying to convince myself I need/don't need a Mark III...

Anyway, the first several weeks all of my pics with this looked very sharp, in whatever light I tried. Outside sunny, cloudy, overcast... Inside multiple locations around my house...

It did require some initial MA, but was great after that. Anything that wasn't sharp I could easily attribute to my lack of skill.

So tonight, my wife had a new swimsuit, and asked me to take a few pics so she could see how she looked. We took the pics in the hallway, which we had *NOT* done yet...

EVERY SINGLE pic was out of focus!?!?

I tried lots of combos of f/stop iso shutter speed... Nothing helped. Switched to Live View and perfect focus?!?! Got really pissed, and switched to other lens, much better... WTF???

Decided to quit before frustration caused the early death of a 7d, so she went into the bathroom to shower. I said wait, let me try in here (bathroom) instead... And guess what-Perfect focus again!?!?

Finally made it to my point. While I really didn't consider myself skillful enough to add legitimate value to this conversation before, I definitely do now. This lens has been great until today. Way better than my talent could use. But I certainly see, and add my dubious voice to reporting that this lens has an issue in certain light.

The funny thing is, until today, 99% of the pics I took were at 1.4, as this is my first lens to goes that big. But in my hallway, my sigma 17-50 2.8 is much sharper at 2.8 than this sigma 35 1.4 is at 1.4, 2, 2.8... All the way to f8, where camera shake or iso noise was causing other issues...

But outside my hallway, anywhere else so far, has been crazy sharp.

YMMV...

is your hall maybe low contrast or particularly dark


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Feb 05, 2013 00:58 |  #2468
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catchquan wrote in post #15573764 (external link)
Bokeh is probably the only aspect it is not overly dominant in but I wouldn't call the 35L bokeh anything special either anyways.

Not true. See - http://www.youtube.com …Uv0cMWtV5vbNpeH​_A&index=1 (external link)

Sigma owns the 35L in terms of bokeh. 9 rounded aperture blades vs Canon's 8 straight blades.


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Feb 05, 2013 01:37 |  #2469

kin2son wrote in post #15573787 (external link)
Not true. See - http://www.youtube.com …Uv0cMWtV5vbNpeH​_A&index=1 (external link)

Sigma owns the 35L in terms of bokeh. 9 rounded aperture blades vs Canon's 8 straight blades.

I mean, I obviously understand the product specifications. But the bokeh, in my subjective opinion, is not dominating over the 35L's bokeh. I don't find it to be better or worse, just different.


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Feb 05, 2013 01:40 |  #2470
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catchquan wrote in post #15573860 (external link)
I don't find it to be better or worse, just different.

If you watch the video, sure it's different because Sigma is a lot smoother :D


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Feb 05, 2013 09:37 |  #2471

catchquan wrote in post #15573764 (external link)
Short time as in 2 days, probably over 5 hours in both a controlled environment and real world tests? The 35L is far softer across the board at all apertures, center point at f/1.4 is no where near as sharp as the S35 is center point. S35 is sharp form corner to corner (mostly) at f/1.4. Color contrast and saturation is much more desirable than the 35L. Bokeh is probably the only aspect it is not overly dominant in but I wouldn't call the 35L bokeh anything special either anyways.

I'll consider your testing a good test run. What I've seen in my Sigma's is that the issues arise when its a critical moment. From wedding receptions in a mixed lighting situation in a chinese restaurant, Gymnasium's lighting primarily artificial light, overcast day where contrast is dynamic with overhanging tree branches in a forested area, highlights with bright backgrounds while taking portraits etc. Thats only a small example of where a "good" copy of a sigma has severely failed me.

The s35 will be a great competitor when a new 35Lv.2 comes out. Seems all of the new offerings in canon lenses have incredible micro contrast unlike the older sharp lenses. I gather the sigma will be a huge price savings but I'm assuming the canon will be the winner in confident accuracy both 35L and hopefully 35Lmk2.

For example look at the "sharpness" of the 85L and compare it to a 35L and sigma 35mm and a 24Lmk2. The 85L is incredibly sharp but less micro contrast compared to a S35 or 24Lmk2. The 85L and 35L is older tech and seems to have a different sharp look. Newer lenses almost have an "unsharp mask" straight out of the camera making the image extremely crisp.

Realistically speaking the new lenses look better while pixel peeping on the monitor. When you print that is the equalizer and 300dpi will look awesome regardless of S35 or 35L. The zinger is in generalized "talk" the 35L is a proven workhorse that lands the shots with full confidence. So far reading alot of forums there is alot of happy and angry sigma customers.

Since I never buy 3rd party sigma lenses anymore my keeper rate is completely determined by me (user error). I've tragically lost alot of oof memorable shots due to gear determining focus point. Wont touch a sigma 50mm even if it was casual use!!!!!!!


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Feb 05, 2013 09:57 |  #2472

Why are people here that don't won the lens knock it and believe the owners thata re happy with theirs. I love mine, its absolutely fantastic. Also people pixel peeping on monitors at 200% magnification, umm why? are you gonna print that tiny crop on 8x10"?


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Feb 05, 2013 10:04 |  #2473
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Pit wrote in post #15574805 (external link)
Why are people here that don't won the lens knock it and believe the owners thata re happy with theirs. I love mine, its absolutely fantastic. Also people pixel peeping on monitors at 200% magnification, umm why? are you gonna print that tiny crop on 8x10"?

Lol. Most of them don't print pictures, but just pixel peeping and nitpicking every thing they can find at 100-200% magnification.


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Feb 05, 2013 10:15 |  #2474

AlanU wrote in post #15574736 (external link)
The s35 will be a great competitor when a new 35Lv.2 comes out. Seems all of the new offerings in canon lenses have incredible micro contrast unlike the older sharp lenses. I gather the sigma will be a huge price savings but I'm assuming the canon will be the winner in confident accuracy both 35L and hopefully 35Lmk2.

But you're still basing all of your assumptions on past experiences with different Sigma lenses and without even having taken a single photograph with this new 35mm.. Considering you're one of this thread's most opinionated posters, I find it strange that you've not even used the lens yourself..

AlanU wrote in post #15574736 (external link)
So far reading alot of forums there is alot of happy and angry sigma customers.

If you're talking specifically about the 35mm then I'd say that's a huge exaggeration.. From what I've read, there are a few unhappy customers and far more perfectly happy ones.




  
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Feb 05, 2013 11:07 |  #2475

Ilovetheleafs wrote in post #15573769 (external link)
is your hall maybe low contrast or particularly dark

I don't think so. At f/1.4 my light meter shows iso 100 SS 100 ambient. It's overhead directional lighting for pointing at artwork.

Interestingly, the glass that covers the bulb says "UV FILTER" on it...




  
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