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Sep 18, 2012 05:23 |  #16

bran wrote in post #15006217 (external link)
The small the f-stop the less light, also the more shallow the DOF.

There is a major error here.

Smaller f-stop numbers allow MORE light to pass through the lens to the film plane (or sensor) in a camera. You are correct, however, that this also makes the depth of field (DOF) shallower.

Using smaller f-stop numbers allows you to use faster shutter speeds which will stop motion more than slower shutter speeds.


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Sep 18, 2012 11:34 |  #17

No, I mis...typed :)




  
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Sep 18, 2012 11:53 |  #18

bran wrote in post #15009217 (external link)
No, I mis...typed :)

You should be able to edit the error in the previous post.


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Sep 18, 2012 15:40 |  #19

bran wrote in post #15004466 (external link)
outside.

From what I read I would want an aperture of f2.0 or 2.8 (which I my camera does not do anyways).

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If you don't mind spending a bit of money, consider picking up a cheap 50mm f/1.8 lens.

the 50mm 1.8 is the easiest and cheapest way to get that blurred background




  
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Sep 19, 2012 23:45 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #20

3 things control your DOF; your aperture, your focal length & your distance to subject. If you want a more shallow DOF, open up your aperture, use a longer focal length, and/or be closer to your subject. If you want a larger DOF, do the opposite.

You can definitely get a shallow DOF with that lens, even though the aperture doesn't open very wide. Just get closer to your subject and zoom in to use a longer focal length.

I have the 55-250IS which only has a maximum aperture of f/4.0- f/5.6. But when I get close & zoom in, I get a nice blurred background.

I don't know how close I was to my subjects, but some examples:

179mm f/9

IMAGE: http://jaci.smugmug.com/Animals/Pets/Opus/IMG3543edited-2/344619551_2KGxs-M.jpg


250mm f/10

IMAGE: http://jaci.smugmug.com/Animals/Wildlife/Insects/IMG8573edited-2/991469865_3HYNw-M.jpg


187mm f/6.3

IMAGE: http://jaci.smugmug.com/Family/Family-2009/IMG6472edited-3/589031779_aQj35-M.jpg

So even though I wasn't using my 50mm f/1.8, and wasn't using large apertures, I was still able to blur the background because I was using a long focal length & was close to my subject.

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Sep 29, 2012 10:59 |  #21

Jaci - Thank you so much for these examples. See that is where I am confused. Your aperture on the first two pictures is f/9 and f/10 - high- that seems contrary to what I am reading I would want. But it worked beautifully for you.

I guess I just need to keep practicing.

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Sep 29, 2012 11:12 |  #22

bran wrote in post #15057743 (external link)
Jaci - Thank you so much for these examples. See that is where I am confused. Your aperture on the first two pictures is f/9 and f/10 - high- that seems contrary to what I am reading I would want. But it worked beautifully for you.

I guess I just need to keep practicing.

Analysis paralysis

His backgrounds were further than the subject's distance to the lens, creating the blurry background. Also, his longer focal length helped with the grasshopper shot.


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Sep 29, 2012 12:11 as a reply to  @ Paolo.Leviste's post |  #23

bran wrote in post #15057743 (external link)
Jaci - Thank you so much for these examples. See that is where I am confused. Your aperture on the first two pictures is f/9 and f/10 - high- that seems contrary to what I am reading I would want.

You have to realize that aperture is not the only thing that determines your DOF. Your focal length & your distance to subject play just as big a role in controlling your DOF as your aperture does. That's why I posted these examples to help illustrate the point. If you want a shallow DOF, open up your aperture, use a longer focal length and/or be closer to your subject. You always hear about how aperture affects your DOF, but not much about focal length & distance to subject. But they are just as important.


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Sep 29, 2012 18:26 |  #24

smallpotatoes wrote in post #15057939 (external link)
You have to realize that aperture is not the only thing that determines your DOF. Your focal length & your distance to subject play just as big a role in controlling your DOF as your aperture does. That's why I posted these examples to help illustrate the point. If you want a shallow DOF, open up your aperture, use a longer focal length and/or be closer to your subject. You always hear about how aperture affects your DOF, but not much about focal length & distance to subject. But they are just as important.

there are even apps for that
or online
http://www.dofmaster.c​om/dofjs.html (external link)




  
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Sep 29, 2012 19:00 |  #25

watt100 wrote in post #15058895 (external link)
there are even apps for that
or online
http://www.dofmaster.c​om/dofjs.html (external link)


Which was already posted twice up above... :D (I am just being evil!)

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