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Sep 17, 2012 15:47 |  #1

Please if anything I mention here is not correct, please fill free to correct.

Have a couple questions regarding Paypal, been to U tube, and its down right scarry to use them, because as seller, it seems buyer has all the protection. In addition if someone uses there credit card to purchase, they have there card comapny to back them up. Not to mention PP can and will hold your money, and in many cases never get your money, while the claime (scammer) has your product.

Also read where PP can change terms of service at any time for any reason .

If you move your money out from a tansaction immediately, to protect yourself, and a claim is made, and there are no funds to refund, I understand they can ruin your credit rating...and send collection agency after you.

How long do they hold your funds after a sale.
Whats the best way to set up your account dealing with PP.

I seen many here say they wont use paypal, but yet when you want to sell something in the sell forum, most buying folks only want to buy from others using PP

As the title says, a evil necessity to do business on line.


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Sep 17, 2012 16:43 |  #2

Bianchi wrote in post #15004891 (external link)
Please if anything I mention here is not correct, please fill free to correct.

Have a couple questions regarding Paypal, been to U tube, and its down right scarry to use them, because as seller, it seems buyer has all the protection. In addition if someone uses there credit card to purchase, they have there card comapny to back them up. Not to mention PP can and will hold your money, and in many cases never get your money, while the claime (scammer) has your product.

Also read where PP can change terms of service at any time for any reason .

If you move your money out from a tansaction immediately, to protect yourself, and a claim is made, and there are no funds to refund, I understand they can ruin your credit rating...and send collection agency after you.

How long do they hold your funds after a sale.
Whats the best way to set up your account dealing with PP.

I seen many here say they wont use paypal, but yet when you want to sell something in the sell forum, most buying folks only want to buy from others using PP

As the title says, a evil necessity to do business on line.

yes, Paypal is a necessary "evil" or maybe it's brilliant payment system innovation
I can't remember the last time I used a paper check




  
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Sep 17, 2012 16:55 |  #3

No it is not. Other than ebay, they pretty much have a lock there as ebay owns PayPal. There are FAR to many money services to worry about only one.


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Sep 17, 2012 22:02 |  #4

I sell on Amazon, no Paypal there. I dislike both Paypal and its parent EBay




  
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Sep 18, 2012 00:55 as a reply to  @ rick_reno's post |  #5

Clarity and an Update on Our Holds Policies
July 24, 2012

Hi there, my name is Katherine Hutchison and I’m the head of Risk Management for the Americas here at PayPal. I have some great news to share with our customers on an update to one of the topics that we hear from Customer Service that sometimes causes some confusion – one of our processes commonly known as holds, or “Funds Availability.”

When we get this type of feedback directly from our customers, we take it seriously. So we’re thrilled to announce that we’ve started testing an updated policy that will immediately impact our new sellers – those who give us the most consistent feedback on the lack of clarity of our policies, simply because they are new to us or new to selling and haven’t yet had the chance to experience our services.

First, let me explain a bit what Funds Availability means. Some new sellers to PayPal are not able to immediately spend or withdraw the proceeds of their sales. As soon as the buyer provides positive feedback, the seller provides shipment tracking to us, or after 21 days – whichever comes first – the money becomes available.

It’s important to note that Funds Availability allows PayPal to keep the environment safe for buyers, keep our pricing low for sellers and simply allows us to run our business without incurring tremendous loss. We take action to address a small fraction of the highest risk merchants in our portfolio—sellers who we believe may struggle to meet their commitments to their customers. These targeted actions not only protect consumers from poor experiences but ultimately benefit our merchants by allowing PayPal to keep pricing competitive and give sellers access to our 113 million customers.

We understand that it’s frustrating as a seller or small business to have delayed access to your money and feel like you don’t understand why. We work to communicate this effectively through various channels (emails, customer support, web site and policy terms) but we understand that sometimes you’re looking for more from us. And this policy is a direct result of that sincere intent to always serve the needs of the customer first.

The testing of this updated policy and process started in early July and so far we’re very pleased by the results. With some updated language on our web site, clearer policies and adding an identity verification process, we’ve been able to give sellers access to their money faster. We’ve also made it more clear to sellers how many sales are needed to establish a pattern of successful selling. Once that pattern is established, sellers typically “graduate” out of delayed funds availability.

PayPal truly believes in connecting consumers and merchants all around the world, creating opportunities for people in their personal and professional lives. We realize this updated process is just a start, but you will see more from us as we work even harder to give our customers more clarity into our policies.

If you’re a part of the test – or aren’t – we’d love to get your thoughts and feedback. Please let our Customer Service team know, or just comment to this post.

–Katherine Hutchison, Head of Risk Management for the Americas

NY Times ran a story on PP holding funds. Intersting read.

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Sep 18, 2012 06:50 |  #6

I despise pp and try to use a little as possible. I stopped selling on Ebay after there holding funds until the item is received by the buyer.


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Sep 18, 2012 07:00 |  #7

I'll chime in... Never had any issues with PayPal. I had my CC gateway hacked once, someone 'deposited' $2500 into my account, then removed/reversed it (emptying the account). A call to paypal revealed it was a fake deposit, and they fixed the problem while I waited on the phone, and regenerated my gateway ID and access code.

I've been using them for a VERY long time, both for personal payments, and to accept CC and checks online, and think they have compared favorably to a 'brick and mortar' bank when it comes to customer service and solving issues.




  
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Sep 18, 2012 07:54 |  #8

Flores wrote in post #15008035 (external link)
I'll chime in... Never had any issues with PayPal. I had my CC gateway hacked once, someone 'deposited' $2500 into my account, then removed/reversed it (emptying the account). A call to paypal revealed it was a fake deposit, and they fixed the problem while I waited on the phone, and regenerated my gateway ID and access code.

I've been using them for a VERY long time, both for personal payments, and to accept CC and checks online, and think they have compared favorably to a 'brick and mortar' bank when it comes to customer service and solving issues.

I agree. I like PayPal for the ease of use. At times I will select between two online retailers based on which one uses PayPal. I don't use Ebay so I can't comment there, but I do a fair amount of shopping online and I view PayPal as a plus.


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Sep 18, 2012 10:01 |  #9

Paypal always worked well with me.

The key is to never buy or sell from someone who doesn't have stellar reputation. If I buy from POTN's classifieds, they must also have Ebay with 100% positive feedback.

Craigslist I always do in person in a safe place.

Ebay has protection for both buyer and seller.


Also, never sell to anyone without excellent and consistent reputation on here and on Ebay unless it's in person and cash (always away from home, always in a safe place).


Just don't do business with noobs. If noobs want to buy, they can go retail or in person. If noobs want to sell, they can do CL in person or Ebay, which gives the buyer protection.


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Sep 18, 2012 11:05 |  #10

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #15008749 (external link)
Paypal always worked well with me.

The key is to never buy or sell from someone who doesn't have stellar reputation. If I buy from POTN's classifieds, they must also have Ebay with 100% positive feedback.

Craigslist I always do in person in a safe place.

Ebay has protection for both buyer and seller.


Also, never sell to anyone without excellent and consistent reputation on here and on Ebay unless it's in person and cash (always away from home, always in a safe place).


Just don't do business with noobs. If noobs want to buy, they can go retail or in person. If noobs want to sell, they can do CL in person or Ebay, which gives the buyer protection.

I would like to comment about 100% fb on ebay. Because it is so important to some people who don't understand fb completely, sellers just start a new account with a new name and they have 100% fb again. They may only have a few sales, or hundreds, and people are fooled into thinking that is better than someone who has thousands of sales and who didn't start a new account and don't have 100% fb. They figure people can look at the fb and see why they got a neg or two, and many times its because of an ignorant buyer, and idiot buyer, a pretend mistake giving a neg with a good comment (probably a competitor) etc so its complicated.

Myself, I make my own fishing videos and sell to fisherman. Some think fb is rating a movie and they get to rant about why they didn't like it, so even though 99% of fisherman like them, there's always someone who doesn't and they feel the need to leave a neg. I could start a new account every time, because they are rare, and people are easily fooled by 100% fb even if there aren't that many sales, but I strive to be honest and keep my long term account and hope logical people will look at the fb to see why I have a tiny percentage of negs in there from the past.

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Sep 18, 2012 11:09 |  #11

MikeFairbanks wrote in post #15008749 (external link)
Paypal always worked well with me.

The key is to never buy or sell from someone who doesn't have stellar reputation. If I buy from POTN's classifieds, they must also have Ebay with 100% positive feedback.

Craigslist I always do in person in a safe place.

Ebay has protection for both buyer and seller.

Also, never sell to anyone without excellent and consistent reputation on here and on Ebay unless it's in person and cash (always away from home, always in a safe place).

Just don't do business with noobs. If noobs want to buy, they can go retail or in person. If noobs want to sell, they can do CL in person or Ebay, which gives the buyer protection.


I've never had a bad experience with PP but I have heard of some horror stories, maybe they didn't follow the sensible guidelines ^^




  
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Sep 18, 2012 11:33 |  #12

Paypal has no middle of the road. They are either perfect, or they caused the world to end.


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Sep 18, 2012 13:15 |  #13
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Paypal is an online bank. That is how they view their operations and they have to comply with banking regulations as a creditor and collector of payment according to the law. Paypal promotes buyer protection to fuel more sales at Ebay which is one of their main clients for business. More business means more fees. Paypal and Ebay live for fees.




  
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Sep 18, 2012 13:38 |  #14

I've been waith Paypal for almost 10 years, maybe even longer. I've never had a problem with a single transaction, despite sending and recieving thousands of dollars. (tens of thousands over time.) those who have had a problme probably tripped some internal security trigger because of the habits from a new account or rarely used account. (or maybe a complaint)

One thing to do, as was posted in the message written above is to get a tracking number and make sure it is entered in their system. This provides proof of shipment. Why would anyone expect to be paid without proof that they ever even shipped a product? Also, a lot of people try to cheat the system by expecting gift payments, so a lot of gift payments could trigger internal warnings.




  
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Sep 18, 2012 18:18 |  #15

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Paypal has no middle of the road. They are either perfect, or they caused the world to end.

I'm glad it's mostly the first option




  
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