Canon shuts down its China production lines

JackLiu wrote in post #15035833
There is no need for this kind of response on this website!

Based on his comment, its a very fitting comedic jab.

If you read it as something else, work on your insecurities.

andrikos wrote in post #15035706
Malaysia, Thailand are lower in the totem pole than China.
Also, Africa is next I'm afraid... China is already massively investing all over the continent.

It's not just Japan that China is bullying. Other countries such as Vietnam, Philippines and Malaysia are also being bullied when it comes to territorial disputes.

In order for China to sustain its growing economy, it needs more fuel supply and it needs to protect these shipping lanes.

gqtuazon wrote in post #15062539
It's not just Japan that China is bullying. Other countries such as Vietnam, Philippines and Malaysia are also being bullied when it comes to territorial disputes.

In order for China to sustain its growing economy, it needs more fuel supply and it needs to protect these shipping lanes.

probably true, offshore islands and what lies underneath the ocean floor is getting more valuable - even the north pole !

tkbslc wrote in post #15014583
Only if we agree to their terms. It would pretty easy to default on Chinese debt if it was in the national interest.

I can see where China is worried. Imagine if someone decided to sell Catalina Island to the Russians or Chinese?

Crazy talk. That would harm the US far more than China.

The US hasn't lived within its means for a long time, I don't think the citizens would like it.

magwai wrote in post #15064550
Crazy talk. That would harm the US far more than China.

The US hasn't lived within its means for a long time, I don't think the citizens would like it.

China does own a lot of US Treasury notes and bonds but then somebody has to own that debt, can't depend on the Russians and Europeans anymore

This dispute has almost nothing to do with any real value of the islands or territorial claims, it has a whole lot to do with the recent huge corruptionj scandals of some very high CCP officials in China. In short, it is a distraction to the Chinese populace to get their focus off of the massive government corruption. As such, the dispute is likely to continue at least until November, when the new party congress takes over. And to put the Foxconn dispute in persective, it was only one of the approximately 500 labor protests that week - what made the news was that it makes iPhone parts.

Windsun33 wrote in post #15069708
This dispute has almost nothing to do with any real value of the islands or territorial claims, it has a whole lot to do with the recent huge corruptionj scandals of some very high CCP officials in China. In short, it is a distraction to the Chinese populace to get their focus off of the massive government corruption. As such, the dispute is likely to continue at least until November, when the new party congress takes over. And to put the Foxconn dispute in persective, it was only one of the approximately 500 labor protests that week - what made the news was that it makes iPhone parts.

bingo, imho

edmyloo wrote in post #15014470
Well I meant that the fight is stupid in a sense that the the island BELONGS to Japan. Regardless what any country can do with that island, if it's under the power of another country, it's under the power of another country.

Actually, those islands have been disputed territory for decades and have pretty much been left as disputed territory. Then again, land are often spoils of war so it depends on how far in hisotry you want to go. But there's certainly a lot of historical support to suggest that the islands BELONG to China. Historically, Japan's claim to the islands came from their victory in the first Sino Japanese War. The islands belonged to China for centuries before that and the argument is that the islands should have been returned to China after WWII.

Scatterbrained wrote in post #15014567
Well, they are actually owned by a private japanese family. The reason China is pushing the issue again is that the Japanese national government is moving to purchase the islands from the family and bring them under national control. China doesn't want the Japanese government to have an "outpost" so close to China.

The thing is that if the islands belonged to China, the private japanese family aren't rightful owners. China's reaction is actually consistent with Chinese policy, and quite frankly, reasonableness. Fact of the matter is that the islands are disputed territory and have been disputed territory for decades. In effect it is like a demilitarized zone. Supposedly the two countries are in constant "negotiations" over the islands but not much has happened beyond nationalistic fishermen from the two countries trying to make a point. But then Japan decides to go "buy" the islands and in effect exert control over the islands. How do you think China would react?

Windsun33 wrote in post #15069708
This dispute has almost nothing to do with any real value of the islands or territorial claims, it has a whole lot to do with the recent huge corruptionj scandals of some very high CCP officials in China. In short, it is a distraction to the Chinese populace to get their focus off of the massive government corruption. As such, the dispute is likely to continue at least until November, when the new party congress takes over. And to put the Foxconn dispute in persective, it was only one of the approximately 500 labor protests that week - what made the news was that it makes iPhone parts.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty ignorant view. China has claimed ownership over the islands and have done so for years. There's no way the Chinese government can let Japan impose ownership over the islands without at least some sort of resistance. It would be like the US not backing up their Monroe Doctrine.

gqtuazon wrote in post #15062539
It's not just Japan that China is bullying. Other countries such as Vietnam, Philippines and Malaysia are also being bullied when it comes to territorial disputes.

In order for China to sustain its growing economy, it needs more fuel supply and it needs to protect these shipping lanes.

Protect from who?

The US? Japan itself?

When is the last time either group formed a blockade? As far as I know it was the US in the early 60's.

As far as I know the US actively enforces keeping shipping lanes open.

China's argument about protecting sea lanes does not compute.

But of course they are using that to justify their new carrier. Just speak plainly; it is a training platform for naval aviators and blue water operations for their future in-house carriers.

thanks for the links and the different views, interesting topic!

danpass wrote in post #15070231
But of course they are using that to justify their new carrier. Just speak plainly; it is a training platform for naval aviators and blue water operations for their future in-house carriers.

I don't know about justification but China just had sea trials with their new aircraft carrier, so yes, the sailors and pilots probably need the practice

JackLiu wrote in post #15035833
There is no need for this kind of response on this website!

It very much is, if you care to read the two posts a bit more carefully.

gqtuazon wrote in post #15062539
It's not just Japan that China is bullying. Other countries such as Vietnam, Philippines and Malaysia are also being bullied when it comes to territorial disputes.

In order for China to sustain its growing economy, it needs more fuel supply and it needs to protect these shipping lanes.

China needs more fuel. That is true. But no - it doesn't need to protect any shipping lanes more than any other country needs it. It is only a country at war that has a need to protect shipping lanes.

pwm2 wrote in post #15073573
It is only a country at war that has a need to protect shipping lanes.

I help protect the valuable fishing and shipping lanes in the Chesapeake Bay (civilian duty)