The real issue with 6D and 5Dm3

Everyone is very excited, disappointed, and everything in between about the comparison between the 6D and 5Dm3. Look folks, the real issue is:

The 6D should have been called the 5Dm3.
The 5Dm3 should have been called the 6D.

DONE!

ummm..nah...dont think that actually helps

dingie256 wrote in post #15008729
Everyone is very excited, disappointed, and everything in between about the comparison between the 6D and 5Dm3. Look folks, the real issue is:

The 6D should have been called the 5Dm3.
The 5Dm3 should have been called the 6D.

DONE!

Not in Canon's numbering scheme.

The 5DMkIII really should have been the 5DMkII and the 6D, well, the 6D.

What they designate as a name is irrelevant. Its just people expect every camera to be released to be the jesus camera. So there is nothing Canon could have done to not have a bunch of people **** and moaning about what any new release is "lacking". Canon is not responsibe for them not having a life. They would rather spend their time complaining rather than actually using their camera.

The real problem with the 5D III is that it is grossly overpriced for what you get. Granted, taken by itself it has great specs and represents a big improvement over what Canon offered in previous 5D bodies. But when you compare it with what you can buy elsewhere the the features in other cameras available for a whole lot less money, the overpricing becomes apparent.

The 6D is a good attempt at its price point and although it is missing some features that its competitors offer for the same money, it remains competitive nonetheless.

Also we are directly comparing against Nikon. Sure, if you have nothing to compare to, it all looks good.

If Canon wants to be more pricey, fine, but they need the features to back it up, especially if they are not going to be close to Nikon/Sony with the sensors.

After seeing the LensRentals' stripdown of the 5D3, I would disagree.

The 5D2 was very much just a grandiose consumer camera--and was intended to be so by Canon Inc.

It appears that Canon Inc's design philosophy was modified to match the marketing by the regional subsidiaries: They decided to make the 5D a real professional camera. What the 5D3 seems to lack in extra bells and whistles, it has gained in becoming a very solidly professional wedding and portrait camera, and it's a solid complement to the 1Dx.

It doesn't lack anything in its professional premise compared with other iconic professional portrait and wedding cameras like the Mamiya RZ and Hasselblad. Canon Inc clearly listened very closely to the professionals using the 5D and did exactly what we were asking for with the 5D3.

why did we make a thread for this?

the issue is here:
Nikon D700 to D800 is a major upgrade in almost all categories.
Canon 5DMkII to 5DMkIII is not a major upgrade comparing to Nikon.
Nikon D600 vs. Canon 6D, based on some sample pictures were taken from both cameras, D600 is clearly a winner.

Jon_Doh wrote in post #15009058
The real problem with the 5D III is that it is grossly overpriced for what you get. Granted, taken by itself it has great specs and represents a big improvement over what Canon offered in previous 5D bodies. But when you compare it with what you can buy elsewhere the the features in other cameras available for a whole lot less money, the overpricing becomes apparent.

The 6D is a good attempt at its price point and although it is missing some features that its competitors offer for the same money, it remains competitive nonetheless.

One could argue (and many have) that the new iPhone 5 would meet the same criteria as stated above about the 5d3, yet 2 million people would argue against that, even.

Like others have stated, if the law of supply and demand is working, why would Canon change anything? The only recent evidence that demand for the 5d3 may be low is the recent lower prices but I think they were right in releasing the 6d in the spot. Just me but I think the multi-million dollar company knows a thing about marketing and is just playing the game. If/when we, the consumers chose not to buy at the asking prices, that's when things will get hairy for Canon.

At $2800 isn't the 5d3 "right priced"?
In 6 months, the 6d will most likely start to pop up in deals for a few hundred less and will probably look really good (I am assuming Canon knew what they were doing and the 6d will prove to be a solid camera)

To answer the OP though, yeah, I think the 6d is the real 5d3. The 5d3 is more of a 4d (got to leave room for the reported 3d mighty-megapixel cam ) LOL!!

BrickR wrote in post #15010324
The 5d3 is more of a 4d (got to leave room for the reported 3d mighty-megapixel cam ) LOL!!

Really? The MkIII seems a logical bump of the MkII. It's basically the same thing with a decent AF tossed in and a few software bells and whistles.

I dont think he is referring to a new camera in the 5D family. I think he is referring to what will be a 1DS replacement. Wether it is put in with the 1's or given a new number.

BrickR wrote in post #15010324
At $2800 isn't the 5d3 "right priced"?
In 6 months, the 6d will most likely start to pop up in deals for a few hundred less and will probably look really good (I am assuming Canon knew what they were doing and the 6d will prove to be a solid camera)

To answer the OP though, yeah, I think the 6d is the real 5d3. The 5d3 is more of a 4d (got to leave room for the reported 3d mighty-megapixel cam ) LOL!!

Where is it $2800?

maximus_73 wrote in post #15009135
the issue is here:
Nikon D700 to D800 is a major upgrade in almost all categories.
Canon 5DMkII to 5DMkIII is not a major upgrade comparing to Nikon.
Nikon D600 vs. Canon 6D, based on some sample pictures were taken from both cameras, D600 is clearly a winner.

I respectfully disagree.
The way I see, the D700 was a pretty old camera so the new additions look more revolutionary. The D700 didn't even have video at the time.
The D800 only got back into the game and added the awesome sensor.

The 5D2 on the other hand had everything right at that time except for the AF, that got on 5D3.
Except for the resolution and DR, the 5D3 is nose to nose with the D800 IMHO.