The real issue with 6D and 5Dm3

kenshap wrote in post #15020459
How do you know this? The statement is more conjecture.

This is what you meant to say:

"Canon does not have a production model with a 36mp....."

Why would anything but a production model matter to any of us? Yes, we're all aware of the sensors they have. Canon had to make choices as to what this camera would have and what it wouldn't have, at this price point. They were never going to make everyone happy. There is no perfect camera.

smythie wrote in post #15019504
- 97% viewfinder coverage Non issue aside from spec sheet measurbating

You know how many times I've taken architecture photos on the 550D and had a streetlight or person I did not want in the frame because the viewfinder hid them? Full coverage viewfinder matters for composition it is not just a matter of measurbating. One of the many reasons I bought a 7D.

I don't know what the big deal is here, it's burst rate is only 4.5fps, SD cards can keep up with that. Saves Rebel and 60D users from having to purchase CF cards, and they are the 6D's primary target.

Indeed, and with it's low light sensitivity for some applications it might be even more capable than the 5D3's autofocus! It's not an autofocus system designed for motion and sports, that does not mean it is an inadequate autofocus system. This camera seems to be primarily targeted towards crop users who want to go to full frame for landscape and portrait shooting.

Cameras will always be junk until they can capture images as well as the human eye. That's not anywhere in the near future, but eventually we'll get there.

They're almost there... in everything except dynamic range. Human lens are equal to f/2.1 to f/8 depending on iris position. For the young that is, aperture drops down with age. Our camera lens already way out perform our eyes.
The area cameras are under performing is dynamic range, human eye is up to about 20 EV, though only 6 EV at any one time. The eye cheats by rapidly moving and only gets to its high dynamic range with much post processing in the brain. I guess we can do similar with high dynamic range processing.

The ISO performance on the 6D is the main thing thats going to make it a winner or loser in my book. $3.5k is way too much for an amateur like me to be spending on a camera body. As a 7D owner with a couple of EF lenses I'm just glad Canon is providing us with a new FF camera I can afford. I guess if theres anything I could say about the 6D it would be that I'd wish for it to be cheaper and without some unnecessay features like GPS and touchscreen.

edit: I could do without Wi Fi too

jorkata wrote in post #15019400
With a capable AF system, the 6D would have been perfectly adequate as a pro tool - thus sabotaging the sales of the higher-priced 5DIII.
So, Canon carefully and deliberately designed the 6D to make it at least inconvenient for pro use.

So the incapable AF system of the 5D2 made it inadequate as a pro tool. Thus, pros were so inconvenienced or unable to use that camera in their businesses that only amateurs or general consumers used it... err wait...

tagnal wrote in post #15020954
So the incapable AF system of the 5D2 made it inadequate as a pro tool. Thus, pros were so inconvenienced or unable to use that camera in their businesses that only amateurs or general consumers used it... err wait...

Yes, many pros used the 5DII as a pro tool.
But does that prove that the 5DII AF system was good?

Here is a recent AF test that Roger from LensRentals did.
In this test, the 5DII AF system was outclassed not just by the 50D and 60D but by the lowly T4i too:
http://www.lensrentals​.com …ity-part-3b-canon-cameras

Photographers were buying the 5Dc and 5DII because the only other oprion was to spend $8K for the 1Ds series.
But Canon, obviously, took the success of the 5Dc and 5DII as a sign that photographers actually liked crippled FF cameras.

Poor Canon.
So many choices these days.
And most of them better and/or cheaper than Canon's offerings.

Mornnb wrote in post #15020635
You know how many times I've taken architecture photos on the 550D and had a streetlight or person I did not want in the frame because the viewfinder hid them? Full coverage viewfinder matters for composition it is not just a matter of measurbating. One of the many reasons I bought a 7D.

So having a bit of room to crop a few pixels out of the frame in post (if you want or need) is a bad thing?

jorkata wrote in post #15021068
Yes, many pros used the 5DII as a pro tool.
But does that prove that the 5DII AF system was good?

Here is a recent AF test that Roger from LensRentals did.
In this test, the 5DII AF system was outclassed not just by the 50D and 60D but by the lowly T4i too:
http://www.lensrentals​.com …ity-part-3b-canon-cameras

Photographers were buying the 5Dc and 5DII because the only other oprion was to spend $8K for the 1Ds series.
But Canon, obviously, took the success of the 5Dc and 5DII as a sign that photographers actually liked crippled FF cameras.

Poor Canon.
So many choices these days.
And most of them better and/or cheaper than Canon's offerings.

5D2 AF may not be good at all but it's good enough for me. I bought my first DSLR, a 20D and when I bought the 5D2, AF is a whole lot better then 20D. I also owned a 1D3 and it's as good as my 1D3 except for outside AF point when I'm tracking movement. Anything else it's the same as or as good. I used a 40D and 50D and I have to be honest, I don't see those being better in AF then 5D2. That's just my opinion.

Judging by the size of it, the 6D should have been called, "Little D"! Or 5D Junior!

skygod44 wrote in post #15016996
One of the best posts in the thread so far.

I see people with a list of gear as long as your arm, post photos of what they had for dinner in a bar somewhere; and almost nothing else.

I see people with 5-series cameras and expensive zooms shoot flat, dull, boring shots of zoo animals; and almost nothing else.

I see people argue until the blood is spitting out against other members about which lens you MUST use for each given scene....while having posted not one single photo themselves!

I know a lot of us "love" our gear, but really, isn't it time to stop arguing pointlessly and get out there, improve your photography and post something that really SHOWS how great you and your gear are.

Regards,
Simon

VERY TRUE Simon.

I can't believe how much advice is doled out by people on this board whose photos are complete **** - and this despite them having all the latest expensive gear.
People should spend time learning how to use the gear they have rather than figure out which body will make the better upgrade to what they bought just 2 years ago. Hell, I still use a 30D because it still does what I want.

One of the first things I noticed about the "Post your 5DIII shots here" thread was how boring the photos were compared to the "Post your 5DII shots here" thread. And the reason was the gearheads were the first to jump on the mark III while the better photogs that were more interested in the craft were spending their energies figuring out how to better use the 5DII that they had.

The 6D should have been called the ZR-783.
The 5Dm3 should have been called the 42-X57 Ltd.

DONE!

So confused ok bought the 5D2 last year for full frame portrait shots then the 7D for the fast autofocus , then the 5D3 comes out marrying both features together love that going to get the 5D3 for Christmas then this new 6D comes out my god Canon is getting as bad as Mac and the new iPhones every 6 months and the Mac Books every 6 months seems as soon as I get used to a product the line changes for the better? not sure for improved sales definitely ..Now is the 6D an upgrade to what model the 5d? or 60D since it is FF guess the 5d3 but is it better or not more megapixels better focus faster targeting what is the main upgrade and should i buy this 5d3 or the 6D or just hang on to the 5d2/7d combo till Canon figures out what model is going to be their FF camera for the average consumer of course this makes the 1DX exempt since it is the Flagship unless they come out with the 1DX Flagship series then all bets are off. So confused hope they don’t start messing with the glass next…ugh

It's really quite simple ROGERWILCO357, the 6D is not an upgrade for any Canon body, but rather Canon's new entry level full frame camera followed by the 5D III, then the flagship 1D X. Your 5D II has been out now for a number of years and was well due the upgrade - nothing like Apple's product release schedule (that I happen to enjoy and which in fact you have the choice to either take up or skip, I happily use a first generation iPad and an iPhone 4S).

I don't think anyone can tell you which camera to buy next but they can offer suggestions based on your requirements - how about you right down what you need from a camera, what you think you're missing from your current camera and then reference those things against the below feature comparison within one of POTN's threads, click on the link below.

https://photography-on-the.net …ead.php?t=12288​82&page=13