My Musing on the 6D vs D600... And Canon in General right now

Shadowblade wrote in post #15009066
Canon's problem for the past few years is that they've simply been unable to match the Exmor. You can argue endlessly over AF, ergonomics, lens collections, viewfinders and colour casts on LCD screens (yellow for Canon, green for Nikon), but, when the chips are down, Nikon has the ultimate advantage in that their sensors can deliver DR and image quality that Canon simply cannot match, except at high ISOs, where other types of noise dominate and drown out the IQ difference.

You drop lenses in there like it's a minor consideration. Bodies come and go, lenses stay current for longer. With a couple of closely fought exceptions, Canon has the better lens range IMO.

Canon will catch up with sensor tech at some point.

quickben wrote in post #15093693
You drop lenses in there like it's a minor consideration. Bodies come and go, lenses stay current for longer. With a couple of closely fought exceptions, Canon has the better lens range IMO.

Canon will catch up with sensor tech at some point.

Hopefully Canon will catch up with sensor tech. The classic banding has been going on for a long while now. If I recall the Canon 1D MK II and MK IIn ring a bell.

jdizzle wrote in post #15093863
Hopefully Canon will catch up with sensor tech. The classic banding has been going on for a long while now. If I recall the Canon 1D MK II and MK IIn ring a bell.

Yeah, I know it was a big issue with the 5D2. Not sure about the 5D3, haven't heard anyone mention it. And, of course, no-one knows what the new sensor in the 6D is going to be like.

So let's see...

quickben wrote in post #15093910
Yeah, I know it was a big issue with the 5D2. Not sure about the 5D3, haven't heard anyone mention it. And, of course, no-one knows what the new sensor in the 6D is going to be like.

So let's see...

The 5D 3 has it and there are a few reviews out there that mention it. I'm not interested in the 6D since I'm waiting for Canon's rumored 46 MP body.

jdizzle wrote in post #15093933
The 5D 3 has it and there are a few reviews out there that mention it. I'm not interested in the 6D since I'm waiting for Canon's rumored 46 MP body.

Does it ? That's disappointing. Is it only at really high ISO when you underexpose ?

quickben wrote in post #15093947
Does it ? That's disappointing. Is it only at really high ISO when you underexpose ?

Here is a review by Fred Miranda at low or base ISO.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com …dex_controlled-tests.html

gqtuazon wrote in post #15094018
Here is a review by Fred Miranda at low or base ISO.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com …dex_controlled-tests.html

That is astounding. To the point where I'm not convinced, actually. how did he manage to get such bad results ?

And completely different to DPreview's controlled studio test.

quickben wrote in post #15094086
And completely different to DPreview's controlled studio test.

I trust Fred Miranda's reviews and he doesn't sugar coat things.

quickben wrote in post #15094075
That is astounding. To the point where I'm not convinced, actually. how did he manage to get such bad results ?

I really don't know. Those were the results of his controlled tests and he is a primarily a Canon user and he was just presenting what He got from both cameras.

jdizzle wrote in post #15094118
I trust Fred Miranda's reviews and he doesn't sugar coat things.

gqtuazon wrote in post #15094130
I really don't know. Those were the results of his controlled tests and he is a primarily a Canon user and he was just presenting what He got from both cameras.

I don't dispute that, it's just that DPreview's studio shots show that both cameras show almost identical performance in the shadows at ISO 100. Certainly nowhere near that much difference.

quickben wrote in post #15094160
I don't dispute that, it's just that DPreview's studio shots show that both cameras show almost identical performance in the shadows at ISO 100. Certainly nowhere near that much difference.

DPreview don't PP their files, most of them are SOOC. Of course there aren't that much difference at base ISO. The strength of Exmor sensor unlocks when you start doing serious PP

quickben wrote in post #15094160
I don't dispute that, it's just that DPreview's studio shots show that both cameras show almost identical performance in the shadows at ISO 100. Certainly nowhere near that much difference.

Don't forget that Miranda is showing what happens when you try and recover shadow detail and is pushing the shadows 2 stops. Under normal circumstances where you have much less DR do contend with, you'll have to dig deep to see the banding and noise.

Ah, that would explain it.

gjl711 wrote in post #15094287
Don't forget that Miranda is showing what happens when you try and recover shadow detail and is pushing the shadows 2 stops. Under normal circumstances where you have much less DR do contend with, you'll have to dig deep to see the banding and noise.

Exactly...

But in high contrast scenes this is something you might have to do, Landscapes come to mind instantly...

Other types of photography does it really matter? Im not sure, I dont really shoot landscapes, and i've really never had a huge problem with it.... in fact only recently did i flirt with shadow banding when i was PPing this:

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