Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
Thread started 20 Sep 2012 (Thursday) 13:56
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Help Metering Backlit Subject by the Sun

 
Buchinger
Senior Member
467 posts
Likes: 10
Joined Mar 2010
     
Sep 20, 2012 13:56 |  #1

I took some photos today, unfortunately with a bright sun and no cloud cover. It wasn't high noon, but it was late enough to be very bright. I ended up with some hotspots and I'm trying to figure out how to fix this problem.

Shutter 1/250, ISO 100, Canon 60D, 2 430 - EXII's, L-358 Meter, Pixel Kings.

I placed the subjects with backs to the sun. Shade side ambient reading of about F4. With meter facing the sun I got F11 - 3 stops difference. So I shot at f10, ETTL to hopefully bring the subjects up with a little rim light. Subjects exposed okay, but still got hot spots on head and blonde hair. The shoulders, sides of faces, etc were good. Its this simply unavoidable due to blonde hair/bald heads, and just shoot to the right to make it less noticeable? I doubt 1/3 stop changing to F11 would have gotten rid of it.

What is the proper process for a shot like this? Did I do something completely illogical in my setup?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
doidinho
Goldmember
Avatar
3,352 posts
Likes: 23
Joined Aug 2007
Location: Kenmore, Washington
     
Sep 20, 2012 14:33 |  #2

I meter the subject on the shade side and then shoot anywhere from where the meter says to shoot at to one stop underexposed.

How much I underexpose depends on how bright the sun is, the subject, and the BG.

You can take a meter reading on the shadow side, shoot a test image, and look at the histogram. More often than not the skin tones are going to be around the middle of the histogram and then the histogram will taper off quite quickly to the left, well before the left edge of the histogram graph. You will also likely see a bunch of info on the far right side of the histogram.

Your goal should be to reduce the exposure and move the left side of the histogram over to the edge without clipping any of the blacks. If you underexpose too much you will end up having to lighten up darker areas in post and end up w/ a lot of noise. If you don't underexpose enough you may end up w/ more blown out areas and a reduction in contrast than you can't fix in post.


Robert McCadden
My Flickr (external link)
MM (external link)
5DMKII, Rebel xti, 24-105 f/4L, Canon 70-200 f/4L, Canon 17-40.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
stsva
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,363 posts
Gallery: 45 photos
Likes: 286
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Northern Virginia
     
Sep 20, 2012 14:34 |  #3

Bald heads/blond hair would not be great in full sun. From your description you slightly over-exposed the ambient, which would make the problem worse. Since what you're trying to do is control the ambient and balance the shadow side by filling with flash, how about going the other way and going beyond f/11 and/or use HSS (if possible with your lighting setup and if your lights are close enough to give enough light at less than full power) to further drop the ambient exposure? Other possible solutions include using a diffuser or gobo behind/over your subjects to put them in diffused light or partial shade, or moving to where they'll be in natural shade (e.g., in front of some trees, a wall, etc.).


Some Canon stuff and a little bit of Yongnuo.
Member of the GIYF
Club and
HAMSTTR
٩ Breeders Club https://photography-on-the.net …=744235&highlig​ht=hamsttr Join today!
Image Editing OK

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
stsva
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,363 posts
Gallery: 45 photos
Likes: 286
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Northern Virginia
     
Sep 20, 2012 14:52 |  #4

See here for some really good tips:
http://neilvn.com …ight-sunlight-with-flash/ (external link)
http://neilvn.com …09/10/25/the-mid-day-sun/ (external link)
http://neilvn.com …t-with-and-without-flash/ (external link)
http://neilvn.com …-bright-sunlight-wedding/ (external link)


Some Canon stuff and a little bit of Yongnuo.
Member of the GIYF
Club and
HAMSTTR
٩ Breeders Club https://photography-on-the.net …=744235&highlig​ht=hamsttr Join today!
Image Editing OK

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Buchinger
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
467 posts
Likes: 10
Joined Mar 2010
     
Sep 20, 2012 15:05 |  #5

I will check out the links. I understand I slightly overexposed ambient, I just didn't think 1/3 stop should give me hotspots and was making sure my process made sense. I will try dropping the ambient and see how things look. Thanks!




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
windpig
Chopped liver
Avatar
15,918 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 2264
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Just South of Ballard
     
Sep 20, 2012 15:12 |  #6

There's a good chance you could have under exposed by 1/3 stop and still had clipping in the hair.


Would you like to buy a vowel?
Go ahead, spin the wheel.
flickr (external link)
I'm accross the canal just south of Ballard, the town Seattle usurped in 1907.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Buchinger
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
467 posts
Likes: 10
Joined Mar 2010
     
Sep 21, 2012 19:42 |  #7

Tried again - ended up underexposing nearly two stops, and still ended up with some close calls - but they made it and looked great. Wow - do I need more power... Now I know why people spend the money on the 580... One shot needed TWO bare 430 EXII's... Time for the AB800 and Vagabond order if there is to be any modifier use in my future....




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
windpig
Chopped liver
Avatar
15,918 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 2264
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Just South of Ballard
     
Sep 21, 2012 19:43 |  #8

The 580 power is almost identical to the 430 when used in a modifier.


Would you like to buy a vowel?
Go ahead, spin the wheel.
flickr (external link)
I'm accross the canal just south of Ballard, the town Seattle usurped in 1907.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,468 views & 0 likes for this thread, 4 members have posted to it.
Help Metering Backlit Subject by the Sun
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is johntmyers418
1005 guests, 173 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.