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Dream: to buy 85/1.2 and 5D mk iii or 6D?

 
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Sep 26, 2012 12:19 |  #1

Well, to get 85 1.2 has been my dream for while. And to go full frame (from 60D).

The question is that would i (or my photos) really benefit from the 5D mark iii autofocus compared to 6D? That is shooting wide open portraits, family stuff and some street. Or is there some other benefit with 5D mk iii for this purpose besides autofocus?

Thank you for any opinions.


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Sep 26, 2012 13:06 |  #2

I think for what you typically shoot, the 85L may not be too far fetched. I don't think you will benefit that much if you went with the 5DIII (but it's completely your money). What lenses do you currently own at the present time?

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Sep 26, 2012 14:34 as a reply to  @ nburwell's post |  #3

I have 50/1.8, 100/2.8L IS and 100-400L (and sigma 30/1.4 for crop body only).

Through googling I find that some say that switching from 5D2 to 5D3 has made a big impact with their 85L. Some say otherwise.


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Sep 26, 2012 14:44 |  #4

With those types of shooting, I dont think the 5D3 is a good idea(AF is way overkill imho)...a 5D2 or a 6D will be perfectly fine, and will give you a bit more $ for glass, which IMHO is ALWAYS the better investment.. ;)

However, I havent used a 5D3/85L, so I may feel differently IF that ever happened LOL

Good luck!


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Sep 26, 2012 15:24 |  #5

Well shooting wide open all the time will be an eye opener with a 1.2. Especially portraits as you will find that any movement may cause the tip of the nose to be in focus and the rest of the subject out of focus. If your going for very low light then the 5D III will give you great high ISO combined with the 1.2 for some great shots so the auto focus will only be a small part of the 5D III. A very small part.

The 85L has a slow focus motor even on bodies like my 1D III it tends to be slow. Low light subjects usually take longer for the autofocus to track. The camera has to find contrast to focus on so the street shots in low light may take some time to get the hang of it.

Family shots with an 85L will only give you the option of moving up or back so make sure you have lots of room to move around.

Good luck. I hope your dreams come true.


  
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Sep 26, 2012 15:29 |  #6

5dmk3 for me. The AF has improved a lot. It is lot better than almost all the 1 series bodies except 1dx. If you shooting f1.2, you need those nice AF points of 5dmk3.


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Sep 27, 2012 05:48 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #7

Thanks.

Yes, I'm quite aware, at least theoretically, about the challenges, frustration and learning curve that I will face with 85L - and looking forward to it:)

My thinking goes something like that 6D would be a great camera for me but with 85L it would mean using only the center focus point. And I'm lead to believe that focus-recompose is not the best thing to do with 1.2 close ups. So it would be shooting wider pictures and cropping post.

With 5D mk3 the outer focus points would be good enough to be used? Or are they? Maybe that is the real question. At least the five 2.8 double cross focus points are, but will the outer 4.0 cross focus points also be all right?


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Sep 27, 2012 08:19 |  #8

Havne't tried the 85L but outer points were much much better than 5d/5dmk2. This is with 35L, 85mm f1.8 and 70-200mm f2.8 IS II.


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Sep 27, 2012 10:03 |  #9

Franz-Olof wrote in post #15048877 (external link)
My thinking goes something like that 6D would be a great camera for me but with 85L it would mean using only the center focus point. And I'm lead to believe that focus-recompose is not the best thing to do with 1.2 close ups. So it would be shooting wider pictures and cropping post.
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Under good light; I would think the outer focus points should focus well on 5d2 (and soon to be 6d). Anyone with 5dmkII + f/1.2 lens care to chime in with non center point af experience?


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Sep 27, 2012 10:37 |  #10

Don't have 85L but outer points even in decent light were bad on 5dmk2.


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Sep 27, 2012 10:45 |  #11

Mark II + 85L @ 1.2 using outer focus points, you can forget about it. You will probably get 5% in focus if your lucky.

Mark III on the other hand is very very good




  
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Sep 27, 2012 12:13 |  #12

cdang wrote in post #15049802 (external link)
Mark II + 85L @ 1.2 using outer focus points, you can forget about it. You will probably get 5% in focus if your lucky.

Mark III on the other hand is very very good

This is nice to hear.

I think we can presume that 6D will be close to 5Dmk2 with outer points. So basically useless with 1.2?


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Sep 27, 2012 12:29 |  #13

I go to the outer edges without worry with the 5D3. Its that good. And the 85L is a great lens and pairs really well with this camera and its AF system. We dont know really yet how good the AF system of the 6D will be so don't discount it yet.

As for 5D3 or 85L, Toss a coin? :p


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Sep 27, 2012 13:02 |  #14

Christina.DazzleByDesi​gn wrote in post #15050219 (external link)
I go to the outer edges without worry with the 5D3. Its that good. And the 85L is a great lens and pairs really well with this camera and its AF system. We dont know really yet how good the AF system of the 6D will be so don't discount it yet.

As for 5D3 or 85L, Toss a coin? :p

Sorry, I mean that I'm gonna get both. So 85L for sure but the question is that will I get 5Dmk3 or wait for 6D?

Of course there is a price difference but it is not that big since 5Dmk3 has been around for a while and one can get a quite good offer on that. 6d on the other hand will take some time to come down from 2000€.


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Sep 27, 2012 13:28 |  #15

Franz-Olof wrote in post #15050342 (external link)
Sorry, I mean that I'm gonna get both. So 85L for sure but the question is that will I get 5Dmk3 or wait for 6D?

Of course there is a price difference but it is not that big since 5Dmk3 has been around for a while and one can get a quite good offer on that. 6d on the other hand will take some time to come down from 2000€.

Oh well if you are going to get both, why not go for the best? Get the 5D3 :) You never know. If you decide to branch into something that could really use the AF system (sports for example) you will appreciate it. Either way, the AF system rocks even for regular uses (such as the outer AF points)


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