7D II

12Rock wrote in post #15334844
Damn Gary had I only come on this board and known more about you. HOLD on a minute let me get my helmet back on to soften the blows . How much you want for that bridge ?...

that said... if I haven't gotten the 5dmk3 by the time the 7dII comes out it will be a tough decision on which one to get... Sooner or later it will get updated.

Luckless wrote in post #15303592
On the 6D vs 7DmkII pricing issue, I don't really see much reason why it needs to be that the FF camera is priced more than the high end crop. They are two very different cameras focused on two different markets.

One is being marketed as an entry level camera for the world of full frame. A slow system, ill suited to what many expect for sports or wildlife shooting on a modern camera. The 7D series however is suppose to be the Top Tier crop sensor platform. If offers superior auto focus ability and far better burst ability for rapid photo taking.

And believe it or not, many of us want a high end crop. Why? Because of the field of view it provides for a given focal length. Sure, kind of sucks if you're trying to get a wide field of view, but absolutely rocks if you're going for a narrow field with telephoto. (Some day I hope to have both a high end FF and a high end crop to carry at the same time.)

7D will be cheaper than the 6D. Maybe not by much, but the naming convention of Canon's models signals that the 6D is a higher end camera than the 7D. Of course in reality, we know that the two cameras serve very different purposes and are not directly comparable, but it doesnt not make sense, from a product/pricing strategy standpoint, to price the 7D higher than the 6D. Totally inconsistent with the way they've positioned the rest of their line-up.

As such, I think that many of you may be expecting too much from the 7D II. They can only enhance the AF of the 7D II so much before they start cannibalizing the 5DIII and 1DX. This is likely the same reason they crippled the AF system in the 6D ( personally would have gone for the 6D, if it had more cross-type points). I reserve the right to be wrong, of course.

andrikos wrote in post #15333727
Kenji,
Thanks for the (very thorough) explanation.
Makes sense.

I expect (hope) the 7D mkII will continue to be an engineer's plaything and at a price of $1500-$1700
I expect to see the following:

24MP
2 stop high ISO improvement
Better DR
10fps
20-30 AF points with improved sensitivity (-2EV center would be nice)
GPS + Wifi. Let's not have the 6D have all the fun.
Same body with similarly great ergonomics (i.e. 5DIII style)

Hmmm, what else do i want for $1500?

I try, I know I'm verbose and hard to read, I just have trouble condensing things sometimes and like to be thorough in my explanation

I think its going to be closer to $1800 at launch, Lets face it, thats not an unfair price for the camera

With those specs, I would likely buy it over a 5DIII, Especially if Canon does do like i heard and give us some new EF-S lenses to play with, I'd love a version of that 22mm f/2 EF-M pancake for my 7D for instance.. 2 stops of high ISO and better DR would satisfy me perfectly, Though I doubt I'd use 12,800 or 25,600 very often I would welcome a cleaner better 3200 and 6400

RTPVid wrote in post #15333750
(Bullets added)
You do realize that those two are mutually exclusive, don't you?

The mag body covering is a pretty good RF shield, too.

Could do what Leica did and put a plastic "window" for the antenna in it, I'd love if Canon incorporated a transmitter for the new speedlites... but i really doubt Canon doing that

ejicon wrote in post #15053002
Sure.
5Di=Full Frame
5Dii=Full Frame
7D=Cropped
5Diii=Full Frame
6D=Full Frame

Do you notice anything odd with that list?

Yes, the fact that you neglected to include all of the other crop bodies that were released during that time frame, such as the 1D3, the 40D, the 50D, the 60D, the 1D4, and all of the Rebels.

Was there a reason you excluded so many cameras from your list?

I'm betting the 6D and the new 7D are priced exactly the same.

SVTmaniac wrote in post #15339242
I'm betting the 6D and the new 7D are priced exactly the same.

You know, that is very smart. You pay your money and you take your choice. I just hope the new (low noise) 7D comes out before spring migration.

SVTmaniac wrote in post #15339242
I'm betting the 6D and the new 7D are priced exactly the same.

We need to get a pool going because my bet is the 7D will be priced higher than the 6D. Other than sensor size, even the existing 7D kills the 6D in overall performance. My guess is a ~$2500 MSRP with prices settling around the $2k mark for a 7DII especially if Canon keeps selling the 7D along side it. Of course I'd love to be wrong.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15340710
We need to get a pool going because my bet is the 7D will be priced higher than the 6D. Other than sensor size, even the existing 7D kills the 6D in overall performance. My guess is a ~$2500 MSRP with prices settling around the $2k mark for a 7DII especially if Canon keeps selling the 7D along side it. Of course I'd love to be wrong.

You know, that's a great idea.
I'll set up a poll in the Cameras forum.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15340710
We need to get a pool going because my bet is the 7D will be priced higher than the 6D. Other than sensor size, even the existing 7D kills the 6D in overall performance. My guess is a ~$2500 MSRP with prices settling around the $2k mark for a 7DII especially if Canon keeps selling the 7D along side it. Of course I'd love to be wrong.

Well the 7D wasn't priced higher than the 5DII when it was released and arguably the 7D kills the 5DII in the same way it kills the 6D, so why would the 7DII be higher than the 6D?

Or I could be wrong since I didn't actually check the official MSRP at release for both cameras. But I don't think so.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15340710
We need to get a pool going because my bet is the 7D will be priced higher than the 6D. Other than sensor size, even the existing 7D kills the 6D in overall performance. My guess is a ~$2500 MSRP with prices settling around the $2k mark for a 7DII especially if Canon keeps selling the 7D along side it. Of course I'd love to be wrong.

I'm with Ken and believe it'll be priced higher.

Sirrith wrote in post #15340903
Well the 7D wasn't priced higher than the 5DII when it was released and arguably the 7D kills the 5DII in the same way it kills the 6D, so why would the 7DII be higher than the 6D?

Or I could be wrong since I didn't actually check the official MSRP at release for both cameras. But I don't think so.

then the only real delta is sensor size, and we're now in the era of "affordable" FF bodies. My thought is in 2009 when the 7D was released, FF demanded a far heavier premium than it does today and going forward.

I'm not saying the 7DII will cost significantly more to produce, I'm saying Canon will add a few more pro features and charge significantly more for it just like they did with the 5DIII.

all a poll is going to prove is that nobody has any clue what the price will be....

Stone 13 wrote in post #15341963
then the only real delta is sensor size, and we're now in the era of "affordable" FF bodies. My thought is in 2009 when the 7D was released, FF demanded a far heavier premium than it does today and going forward.

I'm not saying the 7DII will cost significantly more to produce, I'm saying Canon will add a few more pro features and charge significantly more for it just like they did with the 5DIII.

I won't speculate on the cost but I like the idea of a full frame 7D. But I suppose that's the 5D3

I don't think Canon would put a FF sensor in a 7dii. They love to compartmentalize their segments. No way they would want the 7dii to cut into 5d3 sales. No way. So they'll make it a poor man's 1dx...afterall, that formula worked when they made the 7d a poor man's 1d4

I figure, if the 5d3 is selling for @ $2999 when the 7dii is released, could they really ask $2500 for a crop sensored 7dii? Who am I kidding...Canon sure as hell would! Get as much from the early adopters as possible for as long as possible and then lower the price to what it really should be...To hell with whatever price the other models are selling for!

As another poster said, the 7D 'sits' below the 6D in the product hierarchy.

Common sense says that the 'lower' camera in the hierarchy will not be priced higher than the 'upper' camera.
It wouldn't be all that surprising, though, if the 7DII is priced the same as the 6D.
Still, I'm betting that the price will be lower.