7D II

John Sheehy wrote in post #15629494
Well, I didn't see anything about auto-ISO working with flash enabled.

LOL I guess it's not perfect yet.

Mornnb wrote in post #15629173
Not necessarily because the higher pixel density of the 7D will run into the sharpness limitation of lens more quickly.

Higher pixel density is a good thing. Running into the limitations of the lens is a good thing. Having a pixel density where the RAW capture has a black pixel next to a white pixel is a bad thing.

That has nothing to do with one pixel density vs another with the same size sensor.

Ignoring the pixel density for a moment, imagine that the sensors are analog. The FF sensor captures a greater area of the focal plane of the lens, so it can capture more lines with a certain standard of contrast. That is purely a function of the size of the sensor. Now, whatever analog projection falls on the sensor, the higher the pixel density, the more accurately the analog projection is simulated.

Then there is focal-length-limited photography; longer lenses are too heavy, too expensive, too slow, or non-existent. In this case, much of what the FF sensor resolves is worthless, as it will be cropped away. In this case, the 7DII with 24MP will have more than 1.6x the resolution 5D3, with the same lens.

DarthVader wrote in post #15629551
I hope you are wrong John .

I hope I'm very wrong; wrong enough to get a dunce cap.

I know it's possible to have higher pixel density and better noise character, if not quantity. Doing it at 240MP/s could be a challenge, though.

I really really hope those are the specs for the $2100 price tag but that statement in there about there being 3 or so prototypes makes me skeptical.

For $2100, its a price I can pay for those specs. But I don't see it being more then $2k since there hasn't been an APS-C that cost more then a full frame that I know of. Maybe someone can correct me on that. But then again, anything is possible.

RHChan84 wrote in post #15630302
For $2100, its a price I can pay for those specs. But I don't see it being more then $2k since there hasn't been an APS-C that cost more then a full frame that I know of. Maybe someone can correct me on that. But then again, anything is possible.

Never say never. There's always a first.

jwcdds wrote in post #15630311
Never say never. There's always a first.

But for those specs, its not bad for the price of $2100 considering the current prices of Canon products.

Pricing is all relative. You'll find people who will say it's reasonable, and then you'll also find people who will claim anything that's not free is too expensive.

It comes down to want vs. need vs. bank account. Bank account always wins.

I would pay up to $2500 for those specs. Anything more and I would go for a 1d IV

vsg28 wrote in post #15629767
I really really hope those are the specs for the $2100 price tag but that statement in there about there being 3 or so prototypes makes me skeptical.

They are likely testing several sensor designs in real world scenarios to decide which trade off makes the most sense. And the trade offs will be between megapixels, or dynamic range and high ISO noise.

RHChan84 wrote in post #15630302
For $2100, its a price I can pay for those specs. But I don't see it being more then $2k since there hasn't been an APS-C that cost more then a full frame that I know of. Maybe someone can correct me on that. But then again, anything is possible.

It would make sense though, in most ways the 6D is already a downgrade from the 7D. It's just a full frame 60D!

Mornnb wrote in post #15630676
They are likely testing several sensor designs in real world scenarios to decide which trade off makes the most sense. And the trade offs will be between megapixels, or dynamic range and high ISO noise.

It would make sense though, in most ways the 6D is already a downgrade from the 7D. It's just a full frame 60D!

I hope they can address the noise issue at higher ISO. The sensor in the 7D/T3i, et al is just not good at higher ISO.

Yes the 6D is a "downgrade" as far as AF goes. But is it a downgrade as far as IQ and low light performance goes? IMHO the answer is no.

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #15631285
I hope they can address the noise issue at higher ISO. The sensor in the 7D/T3i, et al is just not good at higher ISO.

Yes the 6D is a "downgrade" as far as AF goes. But is it a downgrade as far as IQ and low light performance goes? IMHO the answer is no.

There are those who say the 6D is an upgrade over the 5d3 in low ISO IQ and underexposed area noise banding.

Honestly this is the exact camera I wanted and have been waiting for. Speaks volumes as to the cost of manufacturing FF vs. APS-C sensors. Only thing I would like that wasnt listed would be better sealing.

a 1.6x crop version of the 5d3 will do me just fine

colintf wrote in post #15631940
a 1.6x crop version of the 5d3 will do me just fine

That's pretty much the 7D now. Not exactly, but so close.