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Sep 27, 2012 23:29 |  #1

So, here's another example of an old image set re-explored with the Zero Noise and Perfect Raw workflow. Briefly, I run Zero Noise for Linux on my Mac to yield a 16bit linear UniWhiteBalance TIFF which I feed into Perfect Raw to get a working, noise-free image with many stops of useable DR. This workflow is discussed in more detail here:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1230362

Anyway, here is the Zero Noise output:

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Zero Noise output - 16bit linear UniWB TIFF - shown here as 8bit JPEG

And here is the result of running the output through Perfect Raw and tweaking/cropping in PS - I went too heavy on the local contrast boost and I probably should have painted out the local contrast boost altogether in the far background outdoor scene areas, but, whatever:

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Final image

Here is the blend map from Zero Noise:

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Zero Noise blend map with exposure shutter speed labels for gray values

And here are some 100% crops of the image, with details:


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The 100% crops have some funky little artifacts from the level of deconvolution sharpening that I do that I know will not be visible in the reduced resolution final images.

Granular snow texture? Yes. Noise? No.... ;)

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Sep 27, 2012 23:47 |  #2

Here's a stab at a single raw converted in ACR - in this case the 1/15 sec with lots of highlight and shadow slider and a lot of NR. Not too shabby, actually, but the dreaded pattern noise of the 5DII sensor is evident in the 100% crop, even with a lot more NR than I would ever use in most cases.

ACR7/LR4 engine is pretty impressive though, although color shifting starts to creep in with such extreme adjustments.

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Sep 27, 2012 23:59 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #3

Very interesting..


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Sep 28, 2012 21:55 |  #4

Here's another oldie but a goodie:

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Oct 01, 2012 15:20 |  #5

I wish the author would update both Histogrammer and Zero Noise.
Guess I have to run them in a VM with an old date...


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Oct 01, 2012 21:08 |  #6

If you are on a Mac, just load Ubuntu Linux as a VM and then you do not need to bother with the PC limitations. You can download the Linux version, which is MUCH faster than the PC version, here:

http://zeronoiseforlin​ux.blogspot.com …-zeronoise-for-linux.html (external link)

Download the .deb while in the Linux environment and let the package manager install it. Then you can simply type "zeronoise" at the Terminal prompt within the Linux Terminal app and it will launch the ero Noise GUI interface.

Let me know if you need help getting it up and running.

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Oct 09, 2012 11:00 |  #7

kirkt wrote in post #15067514 (external link)
If you are on a Mac, just load Ubuntu Linux as a VM and then you do not need to bother with the PC limitations. You can download the Linux version, which is MUCH faster than the PC version, here:

http://zeronoiseforlin​ux.blogspot.com …-zeronoise-for-linux.html (external link)

Download the .deb while in the Linux environment and let the package manager install it. Then you can simply type "zeronoise" at the Terminal prompt within the Linux Terminal app and it will launch the ero Noise GUI interface.

Let me know if you need help getting it up and running.

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Hi Kirkt, have you tested or done any comparison using your zero noise with perfect raw vs Zero noise and sns-hdr? What would be the difference in the image if you take 3 -5 images 1 or 2 stop apart output from zero noise and feed that into sns-hdr.


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Oct 09, 2012 11:16 |  #8

I can try that - I have downloaded the "Lite" version of SNS but have not fired up my virtual WinXP machine in a while. I will get that set up and do the following:

1) Use the source raw files imported/converted directly in SNS;
2) Use the ZN merging of those same raw source files and output the same exposure sequence from ZN - I assume you are referring to ZN's ability to take the merged raw data and output a sequence of 'noise free' TIFFs at your specified EV spacing for HDR merge elsewhere.

I'll post here when I get the chance. Unfortunately, SNS gets short shrift from me because it is PC-only and I have several other Mac tools that do the same job. It is a great tool though, don;t get me wrong. It is pretty obvious that it does not output full HDR data though, so I would group it as a hybrid between exposure fusion and full HDR workflow.

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Oct 13, 2012 20:58 |  #9

So I've been immersed recently in trying to get my head around a new approach to manipulating tone and color in a digital image. Lightbrush is an application that takes a completely new and incredibly powerful approach to manipulation of tone and color by analyzing an image and, with some input from the user, extracting an illumination and reflectance channel for further processing.

This is pretty powerful stuff. Normally, you can access this kind of data separation only with CG images, where the individual image component buffers are directly available for further compositing and processing - this, because the computer is building each channel and combining them to get the final CG image.

To be able to extract this kind of channel data from a digital photograph is mindblowing, really. Here is an example of applying the basic approach to the previously posted doll image, made from a 16bit Zero Noise TIFF.

IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Photo-of-the-Day/i-BvrdSZR/0/X3/Screenshot-X3.jpg

The upper left image is the composite original. The upper right is the illuminance map. The lower left is the reflectance map. The lower right is the combination - it is the same as the original (as shown here) until you edit either of the extracted channels. You can edit them in Lightbrush or, more powerfully, in PS. Note - this image shows gamma mapped "previews" of full 32 bit image data.

Here is the result of some simple edits, namely changing the gamma of the illumination map while increasing the contrast of the reflectance map.

IMAGE: http://kirkt.smugmug.com/Photography/Photo-of-the-Day/i-BQCWZLS/0/X3/comp-X3.jpg

The illumination channel carries all of the lighting information, while the reflectance channel carries all of the surface information, independent of the light and shadow falling on it. You can lighten, darken or completely remove shadows to reveal the underlying surface, soften harsh shadow boundaries, increase color contrast without changing lighting. etc. This is all done in 32bit per channel if you want.

Freaking amazing.

Here are some tutorial videos and the user manual:

http://www.tandent.com​/support/ (external link)

Wow. I'm still figuring out the uses.

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Oct 13, 2012 22:22 |  #10

Here's an example of an early test of off camera flash I did a few years ago with a bare flash camera left and the camera firing on the 10 sec timer. I'd hit the shutter release, run to the bike get on and start pedaling toward the camera and hope that focus and everything else worked. Very professional.

The flash cast hard shadows across my body and bike, especially evident on the shadows cast on my left leg right below with knee from the top tube and right handlebar. In Lightbrush I was able to separate the shadows from the underlying surface information and clone out the hard shadows on the illuminance layer revealing the reflectance layer of skin and dirt under the shadow. I probably could have done a better job, but it took literally 15 seconds.

Crazy.

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Oct 14, 2012 00:51 |  #11

Nice shots but how do you get the software. I went to the website and downloaded and installed the 0.9 version of Zero Noise and then installed the 1.1 update. When I run it it says it's expired and to check the website for a newer version. As far as I can tell there is no newer version. What am I missing?


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Oct 14, 2012 10:32 |  #12

The developer (_GUI_ on this forum) has not updated the application in some time. His response to your question has been to set the system date back on your computer, if you want to use the PC version. I am a Mac person and I use the Linux version on a virtual Ubuntu machine - it has no time limit, nor does it watermark the output if you use more than three input images.

There's really not more to say, as this program was written by the author as a personal exploration of creating a noise free raw image that could produce more natural results for extended dynamic range imaging. His making it available to the public was really, probably, not intended for such widespread use. Consider contacting Guilllermo directly through his website and maybe arrange to make a donation and see if he can help you out.

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Apr 12, 2013 12:30 |  #13

Reviving an old thread here. Have not seen _GUI_ on here for a while. I was wondering if the blending that Zero Noise does, can it be replicated in Photoshop ? I have see an example of blending two images, but wanted to know a way of blending 3 bracketed images the way zero noise does it. In the past I was using zero noise with sns-hdr, but now I experimenting with LightRoom 4's 32bit post processing with blending the images in CS6 (using merge to hdr pro, 32bit output), but still not getting the noise free image like zero noise.


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Apr 12, 2013 15:48 |  #14

You could manually replicate the concept. You basically need to develop a threshold map to segment your [three] images into the areas you want to use and the areas you want to reject. Recall that Zero Noise did this by representing each acceptable area as a grayscale area in the map. How you chose to do this is up to you.

The images you ultimately combine need to be linear so that they add with no gamma adjustment baked in. If you recall, Zero Noise used dcraw to extract linear RGB TIFF images from the raws you fed it. You could do this as well, with:

dcraw -T -4 -o [your choice here]...

where -T is for TIFF output and -4 is for linear 16bit output, -o 0 (with no color management) or 1 (sRGB) or 2 (AdobeRGB). These TIFFs would ultimately be combined in PS to yield a single 16bit TIFF.

I just tried the whole process out and it works. Here's a brief description of what I did - and I preface this by telling you straight up that I cheated on the hardest part, the segmentation maps.

I took 4 exposures of a scene that involves a halogen lamp, a desk, deep shadows under the desk, bright highlights in the lamp bulb and a styrofoam headform., etc. and a laptop display. The images were shot at the following exposures:

1/2s, 1/8s, 1/60s and 1/1000s.

at f/4 and ISO 800 on a 5DII.

I did all the combining in 32bit, linear space in PSCS6 (AdobeRGB linear profile). I used draw, with -o 2 (AdobeRGB) to make my linear tiffs. I brought each linear tiff into PS as a layer, with the longest exposure on the bottom of the stack (nicely exposed shadows under the desk) and the shortest exposure on the top of the stack (halogen lamp shade and top of styrofoam head) - 4 layers in all. With normal blend mode, I applied the segmentation mask to each layer above the bottom one - THIS IS WHERE I CHEATED! I used PixInsight to generate the masks to blend each layer. Why? Because PixInsight basically does what Zero Noise does and generates a 32bit composite image - with the ability to save the segmentation map for each image it is combining. I saved the maps and brought them into PS to mask each layer for the composite. Clearly, this is the most difficult part, in terms of getting a clean composite image.

After you get each layer with its mask set up, you have to scale each image to the darkest (shortest) exposure. When using a linear space, it is as simple as applying an Exposure adjustment layer to each image that is not the shortest exposure, and dialing in negative exposure to get the exposure to match the shortest (darkest) exposure. So, for example:

My longest exposure (1/2s) was 9EV above the reference (shortest - 1/1000s), so for that image I would apply an exposure adjustment layer with -9 in the exposure box - you have to make sure that you apply the Exposure adjustment layer CLIPPED to the image you are adjusting so that it only affects that image and not everything in the layer stack under it. My other exposures were 7EV (1/8s) and 4EV (1/60s) above reference, so I dialed in -7EV and -4EV in their respective clipped exposure adjustment layers.

Now all the layers are nice and dark and blend. Because I am in 32bit mode, I can use the 32bit preview slider to examine the blend at the various intensity levels contained within the image.

Anyway, attached is a small image of the test scene - I (very quickly without aesthetic concern!) tonemapped this using the output from what I just described above - also attached is a whacked out curve exposing the area underneath the desk, with no noise (other than that you would expect for a properly exposed ISO800 image from a 5DII). There is massive JPEG artifact so I could fit it to less than 150kb and the masking needs to be cleaned up a little, but consider this a proof of concept.

Or you could just use PixInsight. ;)

kirk

I will put together a step-by-step to give you an idea of what I did, and start a new thread.

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Apr 12, 2013 15:57 |  #15

Here is the layer stack prior to making the image look nice.

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