what is it on the 6D that i'll miss if i jump to the other camp?

Hogloff wrote in post #15057651
I rented the D800e along with the 14-24 lens. Amazing setup for landscape photography. I did not make much use of AF as I manually focused my shots. My biggest complaint of the setup is the lousy implementation og LiveView on the D800. Images from the system were tremendous. I am waiting to see what Canon comes out with in the next while otherwise I'll be moving to Nikon. I do have a lot of glass, but I will not use this as an excuse to stay with an inferior system.

Just curious but is the 5dmk3 or 1dx sub par? The d800 and 5dmk3 seem to be neck and neck on feature rich bodies. The choice between the two is probably more based on personal preference. However the 6d vs d600 debate the canon is a complete and utter joke with extremely basic functions disregarding Nikon's fresh innovative features that Nikon users demand and "receive" from nikon. I think Canon should clean the wax out of their ears.

My wallet does not allow me to switch nor do I want to put the effort to change my comfort zone.

The d600 and 6d are great for people wanting to jump into full frame. If I was not loyal to a system I would say its worth while going for a d700 from nikon due to a responsive AF system but you do take a it on megapixels.

I'm not sure about others but the 6d seems to really segregate a demanding user to person that will be completely satisfied with a detuned 6d. Canon should have at least threw the older 60D af. Again Canon did not do such a logical switch in AF in a completely new designed 6d body.

If you look at the canon mirrorless EOS-M and 6D they are both new bodies but all of them lack what people have seen in older bodies from other manufacturers. Canon is doing the typical "holdback" and then in the mk2 and 3 version will introduce a new feature.

OP, I'd suggest the d600 if you can handle the crippling 1/4000 shutter speed. That alone is an absolute deal breaker for me.

Another "6d isn't good enough for me" even though it's not even out yet thread. Awesome! It's a good thing spec sheets tell the whole story...
I would have liked 1/250 minimum sync speed, but it won't be a deal breaker for a lot of people when it's all said and done.

AlanU wrote in post #15057782
Just curious but is the 5dmk3 or 1dx sub par? The d800 and 5dmk3 seem to be neck and neck on feature rich bodies. The choice between the two is probably more based on personal preference. However the 6d vs d600 debate the canon is a complete and utter joke with extremely basic functions disregarding Nikon's fresh innovative features that Nikon users demand and "receive" from nikon. I think Canon should clean the wax out of their ears.

My wallet does not allow me to switch nor do I want to put the effort to change my comfort zone.

The d600 and 6d are great for people wanting to jump into full frame. If I was not loyal to a system I would say its worth while going for a d700 from nikon due to a responsive AF system but you do take a it on megapixels.

I'm not sure about others but the 6d seems to really segregate a demanding user to person that will be completely satisfied with a detuned 6d. Canon should have at least threw the older 60D af. Again Canon did not do such a logical switch in AF in a completely new designed 6d body.

If you look at the canon mirrorless EOS-M and 6D they are both new bodies but all of them lack what people have seen in older bodies from other manufacturers. Canon is doing the typical "holdback" and then in the mk2 and 3 version will introduce a new feature.

OP, I'd suggest the d600 if you can handle the crippling 1/4000 shutter speed. That alone is an absolute deal breaker for me.

I am hoping Canon comes out with a higher mpix camera and better dynamic range would be a bonus. I have the 5d2 and I don't see any benefits of the 5d3 or 1dx for the type of photography I do, landscapes.

Maybe Nikon is better for you but the only thing I'm confused about is you state the lack of a focus assist beam as one of your first pet peeves with Canon but then you dismiss the ultra sensitive low light focusing capability of the 6D center point. Wouldnt that make up for at least some of the advantages of an AF beam (and actually add another advantage of stealthier low light shooting). With the high iso capabilities of recent cameras, a tripod is not as necessary in low light anymore (depends what youre shooting)

Also as others have stated, the outer points (while not cross type) may also be improved and impressive... Maybe not. No one knows til the camera is released. When deciding between 2 expensive pieces of equipment, I find it better to wait until both are available and compare real world reviews. If you can't wait, then your decision is made anyway.

AlanU wrote in post #15056813
Both 6d and d600 are failures since they've been crippled with 1/4000 shutter speed. Its quite easy to hit over 1/4000 with fast glass in bright light.

Ever considered an ND filter?

paulkaye wrote in post #15058688
Ever considered an ND filter?

Yup I have them. I'll use the 2 and 3 stop filter for studio strobes outdoors so slow down shutter speeds. I really do prefer using my PW flex in Ettl mode though for ease of shooting wideopen or close to it within 1/8000 shutter speeds. I'm slowly going to phase out of the PW and go with the 600EX-rt canon radio system.

I'd rather run and gun without Nd filters.

BrickR wrote in post #15058041
Another "6d isn't good enough for me" even though it's not even out yet thread. Awesome! It's a good thing spec sheets tell the whole story...
I would have liked 1/250 minimum sync speed, but it won't be a deal breaker for a lot of people when it's all said and done.

SD cards as a primary means of file storage and 1/4000 is already a good indication of going backwards.

The spec sheets certainly made the 60d a slow seller back in the day since it was kind of like a crippled 7d. Cheaper to have two 60d's for the Video users since you can swap out quickly as one dslr overheats. IQ was about the same as the 7d. I had the 50D and found that the older and slightly noisier file maker more desirable due to CF cards and MA but lacking video. At least this time canon didn't omit MA in the 6d.

If you look at the 5dmk2 vs 6d discussions I couldn't see how anyone would jump from a 5dmk2 to a 6d. Almost a logical choice to get a 5dmk3 but more $$$ The 6d step would not even be a lateral move if you were coming from a 5dmk2.

Having a single cross sensor makes no sense in a new 6d.

The 5dc is oldschool and is a date stamp of how AF use to be. Even the 40D spanked it!!! The 5dmk2 was also another joke in terms of adopting the 5dc af system. i've lived with it because it was the only decent FF in the canon world before stepping up to a 1dsmk3 with killer AF but less high ISO capabilities.

OP, i can see how you look at the realm of current cameras. At this moment in time the d600 looks to be a better body for quicker running kids in servo mode. The faster digic may help you land the shots in the 6D but the outer focus points are NOT cross sensors so I highly doubt you'd use the outer points with confidence.

You can take a severe hit on IQ and get a 7d but land the shots with the AF. As you can see your in a pickle. Canon failed to deliver in your budget. The 5dmk3 is the 7D stuffed with a full frame sensor and improved AF.

Nothing out there unless you find allow mileage d700.

jnadz wrote in post #15058241
Maybe Nikon is better for you but the only thing I'm confused about is you state the lack of a focus assist beam as one of your first pet peeves with Canon but then you dismiss the ultra sensitive low light focusing capability of the 6D center point. Wouldnt that make up for at least some of the advantages of an AF beam (and actually add another advantage of stealthier low light shooting). With the high iso capabilities of recent cameras, a tripod is not as necessary in low light anymore (depends what youre shooting)

Also as others have stated, the outer points (while not cross type) may also be improved and impressive... Maybe not. No one knows til the camera is released. When deciding between 2 expensive pieces of equipment, I find it better to wait until both are available and compare real world reviews. If you can't wait, then your decision is made anyway.

it does make up a bit, but doesn't resolve the issue - because i always have to recompose and shoot using center point.. not a good thing with 1.4 prime.

AlanU wrote in post #15059432
SD cards as a primary means of file storage and 1/4000 is already a good indication of going backwards.

The spec sheets certainly made the 60d a slow seller back in the day since it was kind of like a crippled 7d. Cheaper to have two 60d's for the Video users since you can swap out quickly as one dslr overheats. IQ was about the same as the 7d. I had the 50D and found that the older and slightly noisier file maker more desirable due to CF cards and MA but lacking video. At least this time canon didn't omit MA in the 6d.

If you look at the 5dmk2 vs 6d discussions I couldn't see how anyone would jump from a 5dmk2 to a 6d. Almost a logical choice to get a 5dmk3 but more $$$ The 6d step would not even be a lateral move if you were coming from a 5dmk2.

Having a single cross sensor makes no sense in a new 6d.

The 5dc is oldschool and is a date stamp of how AF use to be. Even the 40D spanked it!!! The 5dmk2 was also another joke in terms of adopting the 5dc af system. i've lived with it because it was the only decent FF in the canon world before stepping up to a 1dsmk3 with killer AF but less high ISO capabilities.

OP, i can see how you look at the realm of current cameras. At this moment in time the d600 looks to be a better body for quicker running kids in servo mode. The faster digic may help you land the shots in the 6D but the outer focus points are NOT cross sensors so I highly doubt you'd use the outer points with confidence.

You can take a severe hit on IQ and get a 7d but land the shots with the AF. As you can see your in a pickle. Canon failed to deliver in your budget. The 5dmk3 is the 7D stuffed with a full frame sensor and improved AF.

Nothing out there unless you find allow mileage d700.

same sentiments exactly.

the.forumer wrote in post #15057523
don't be too quick to judge, guys.

i had the t2i before getting the 5DC. I knew both of them only had 1 center cross AF and that's it. i had a budget constraint last time and 5Dc was my best bet (wanted to go full-frame and nothing else). In short, i upgraded because of the FF, not the AF points. at that point of time, 5d3 wasn't out yet.. even if it was out - the price was a killer. Nikon seems to fill these gaps (more affordable FFs) than Canon. whether it's better is not up to me to say, since i've not used it before ( the only one i used before was D40, and that was eons ago).

jodelh : i have occasional gigs/weddings, but it's not frequent enough to justify me getting a top end dslr, aka 5d3. i don't always read spec sheets, but when i do - it's for good reason. btw if you read properly, i specified i don't really care about the SS limit.

If you're willing to buy used (and it seems you might be, since you're quite happy with the IQ from your 5D), then you should take a really strong look at a used 1Ds2. KEH has them in the $1400 range, and you can probably pick one up in the buy/sell forum as well (though you may have to do a bit of searching and/or waiting). It sounds like it would get you very nearly everything you're looking for:

• Full frame
  
• Autofocus capability
  
• Image quality
  

AlanU wrote in post #15059432
OP, i can see how you look at the realm of current cameras. At this moment in time the d600 looks to be a better body for quicker running kids in servo mode. The faster digic may help you land the shots in the 6D but the outer focus points are NOT cross sensors so I highly doubt you'd use the outer points with confidence.

The outer points in the D600 aren't cross-type either. Those are all clustered vertically at the center.

If you need cross type sensors scattered throughout the frame (as opposed to clustered in the center or solely being in the center), your choices are limited to the 1Ds3, the 1D3, the 5D3, the 1DX, and the 7D. Nothing in Nikon's arsenal has cross-type points located anywhere other than the center area.

kcbrown wrote in post #15059739
The outer points in the D600 aren't cross-type either. Those are all clustered vertically at the center.

If you need cross type sensors scattered throughout the frame (as opposed to clustered in the center or solely being in the center), your choices are limited to the 1Ds3, the 1D3, the 5D3, the 1DX, and the 7D. Nothing in Nikon's arsenal has cross-type points located anywhere other than the center area.

hey thanks. i chanced upon this while reading the O-M5 review.

http://www.photography​blog.com …m-d_e-m5_v_nikon_d7000/1/

looks like the d600 isn't suited for me.

kcbrown wrote in post #15059692
If you're willing to buy used (and it seems you might be, since you're quite happy with the IQ from your 5D), then you should take a really strong look at a used 1Ds2. KEH has them in the $1400 range, and you can probably pick one up in the buy/sell forum as well (though you may have to do a bit of searching and/or waiting). It sounds like it would get you very nearly everything you're looking for:

• Full frame
  
• Autofocus capability
  
• Image quality
  

What it lacks is an autofocus assist lamp, but all Canon cameras lack that.

It also has 16.7 megapixels worth of resolution, which is within spitting distance of the 1DX and 7D.


There's a great thread of images taken with it here.

that's interesting. have not looked into the 1ds line before, as they are all highly priced. will take a look.

the.forumer wrote in post #15059800
hey thanks. i chanced upon this while reading the O-M5 review.

http://www.photography​blog.com …m-d_e-m5_v_nikon_d7000/1/

looks like the d600 isn't suited for me.

Note that not all line type sensors are created equal. For instance, while the 1D2 has cross-type sensors only along a center vertical line, the 1D2 is legendary for its ability to track subjects in the frame. That suggests that while it may only have line-type sensors everywhere but the horizontal center, the line type sensors it has are very good -- a stark contrast with the line-type sensors found in Canon's non-pro cameras (the 5D3 being the sole possible exception to that, since it inherits the 1DX's autofocus sensor).

That's why I'm suggesting you look at the 1Ds2. It has the same autofocus system as the 1D2, image quality that should rival that of your 5D, and a very compelling price for its capabilities. Its biggest downside is its size. If having the portrait grip built-in won't bother you, then it's probably a no-brainer given your stated needs.

Note that if high ISO is amongst your needs, then the 1Ds2 might not fare very well in that department. I honestly don't know how well it does when its files are processed with modern software like Lightroom.


You can even rent a 1Ds2 from borrowlenses.com, though you might not regard that as terribly cost effective for the purpose of figuring out whether or not it truly meets your needs.

try this link its been shot with the 6d

http://www.youtube.com …qo91NsIZI&featu​re=related