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Sep 29, 2012 23:06 |  #1

I suspect this isn't your typical annoying guest at a reception...

setup my lights, tested them all, and during the wedding party intro, I noticed that 1 of the 3 bees I had setup was not firing... shot through to the next pause, walked over, and found that the Vagabond Mini (at base of stand) was turned off... I looked around, couldn't see anyone looking suspicious, turned it back on, tested, and went back to work.... there were kids around, so I suspect one saw some lights, pressed button and ran off...
minutes later, its not going off again... I walk over... VML is on, but the power cord is pulled out.... push it in, test, and get back to work....
within 5 minutes, I notice its still firing, but now the light/umbrella are turned 180 degree from where they should be...

so I go back, and when I get there I ask at the closest table if they saw anyone... 5 people at the table... 1 guy, 4 girls... he gets up and says "you're going to have to move your lights. My friends are getting a headache from them"
I asked, and he confirmed, that he's the one who has been tampering with the lights. I tell him that the lights will not be moved, and if his friends have a headache, I strongly recommend they leave the reception's loud music behind and head home...
First, he asks why i won't move them... I calmly explain that if he would have approached me to begin with, I would have been willing to work something out, but now its not available to be discussed....
so then he says something along the lines of "I don't think the bride and groom would appreciate telling is to put up with this or go home" and to which I respond "The bride & groom have a signed agreement that guarantees me guest co-operation. You are guests who is not co-operating. You want to go explain to her why you're tampering with m gear, disrupting the work they have paid for, and then tell her that I'm done for the night"

He gave me this look, and then said "just move your damn lights"

I headed for the bride, and told him to come with me... but he didn't follow...

Explained in as few words as needed what was happening... before I could finish, the groom ran to his table and told them all to leave... and that was done...

when he came back to me, he said he gave them the option to switch tables, or go home if they can't handle the lights and sounds that come with a wedding... he refused to switch tables, so he told him to get out... and he had to be escorted out by other family members...

rest of the night went on w/o any problems...

someone else in the wedding party later told me this is a cousin who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and has never worked a day in his life... he had requested his own table for the dinner, so that he and HIS guests could sit together... the 4 girls had no relations to anyone at this wedding, they were just the douche's company for the evening...


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Sep 29, 2012 23:27 |  #2

Wow!
My jaw literally dropped.
What a complete and utter *************** !
I'm so pleased the rest of the shoot went well for you.
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Sep 30, 2012 02:41 |  #3

SMP_Homer wrote in post #15059532 (external link)
I suspect this isn't your typical annoying guest at a reception...

setup my lights, tested them all, and during the wedding party intro, I noticed that 1 of the 3 bees I had setup was not firing... shot through to the next pause, walked over, and found that the Vagabond Mini (at base of stand) was turned off... I looked around, couldn't see anyone looking suspicious, turned it back on, tested, and went back to work.... there were kids around, so I suspect one saw some lights, pressed button and ran off...
minutes later, its not going off again... I walk over... VML is on, but the power cord is pulled out.... push it in, test, and get back to work....
within 5 minutes, I notice its still firing, but now the light/umbrella are turned 180 degree from where they should be...

so I go back, and when I get there I ask at the closest table if they saw anyone... 5 people at the table... 1 guy, 4 girls... he gets up and says "you're going to have to move your lights. My friends are getting a headache from them"
I asked, and he confirmed, that he's the one who has been tampering with the lights. I tell him that the lights will not be moved, and if his friends have a headache, I strongly recommend they leave the reception's loud music behind and head home...
First, he asks why i won't move them... I calmly explain that if he would have approached me to begin with, I would have been willing to work something out, but now its not available to be discussed....
so then he says something along the lines of "I don't think the bride and groom would appreciate telling is to put up with this or go home" and to which I respond "The bride & groom have a signed agreement that guarantees me guest co-operation. You are guests who is not co-operating. You want to go explain to her why you're tampering with m gear, disrupting the work they have paid for, and then tell her that I'm done for the night"

He gave me this look, and then said "just move your damn lights"

I headed for the bride, and told him to come with me... but he didn't follow...

Explained in as few words as needed what was happening... before I could finish, the groom ran to his table and told them all to leave... and that was done...

when he came back to me, he said he gave them the option to switch tables, or go home if they can't handle the lights and sounds that come with a wedding... he refused to switch tables, so he told him to get out... and he had to be escorted out by other family members...

rest of the night went on w/o any problems...

someone else in the wedding party later told me this is a cousin who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and has never worked a day in his life... he had requested his own table for the dinner, so that he and HIS guests could sit together... the 4 girls had no relations to anyone at this wedding, they were just the douche's company for the evening...

Im sorry, maybe its late and maybe Im reading this wrong, but why couldnt you have moved your light? Obviously it was bothering him, and I would assume he didnt want to deal with confrontation and tried to take care of it the only way he could see.

When I place lights by tables, I always try to tell the people they are my lights and thank you for being patient with them. I introduce myself and that way if they have a problem they can feel more at ease talking to me. I know you must be frusturated, and in the end it sounds like the guest is a tool, but I would never tell a guest, "put up with my stuff or leave".


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Sep 30, 2012 03:05 |  #4

Red Tie Photography wrote in post #15059952 (external link)
I would never tell a guest, "put up with my stuff or leave".

I wouldn't normally either but if someone sabotages my equipment instead of approaching me, that changes things.


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Sep 30, 2012 03:50 |  #5

I'd not have spoken to a guest like that, even if they had turned my lights off, and I would avoid bothering the B&G unless I had to. I'd have just moved the light.


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Sep 30, 2012 07:00 |  #6

Turning off... unplugging... Redirecting... If he asks before doing any of those, I'd be willing to do something... After his childish behavior, I don't think the light is the real issue...

The other 3 tables around that one were also asked after they left - none had issues with where the light was
Light could be removed, but not moved... It was the safest place to be... Anywhere else would be a safety risk


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Sep 30, 2012 07:01 |  #7

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I wouldn't normally either but if someone sabotages my equipment instead of approaching me, that changes things.

Exactly!
Affects work...
But what if he breaks something? Or tips it over and hurt someone else?

And he never asked. Went right to "you're going to have to move your light"

Venue I've shot at many times. Lights are in that spot almost every time, and no one has ever said a thing about them there or at any other venue...

And the scenario would have played out so differently if he doesn't touch them, and comes over to politely ask if there's anything I can do...


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Sep 30, 2012 07:14 |  #8

SMP_Homer wrote in post #15060261 (external link)
Turning off... unplugging... Redirecting... If he asks before doing any of those, I'd be willing to do something... After his childish behavior, I don't think the light is the real issue...

You did exactly what I would have done! Had he been mature about it and asked if something could have been done before he started his childish pranks, I would have been happy to oblige, but after what he did, not a chance. Bet he thought he was so manly and cool in front of the four girls when he was screwing with your light, but I am sure his tail was tucked between his legs when they were escorted out. Poetic justice... Great job! Glad the rest went off OK.


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Sep 30, 2012 09:06 |  #9

Good for you. I'm usually a really polite guy but if someone is dicking with my gear like that, I have no problem telling them to stuff it.


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Sep 30, 2012 12:50 |  #10

jcolman wrote in post #15060596 (external link)
Good for you. I'm usually a really polite guy but if someone is dicking with my gear like that, I have no problem telling them to stuff it.


Ditto.

SMP you did the right thing. Get the Bride/Groom involved or their parents and let them have the talk with the idiot. I had a guy that was triping my lights duing the formals and the MOB told him if he did that one mor e time she was gonna shove his camera up his a$$... he got the hint

Im sure if we would have asked nice, most of us would really accomodate and move them if possible...reception, booze, young people that dont know how to handle the booze...it can definately get interesting at times.


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Sep 30, 2012 14:33 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #11

SMP, I think you were well within your rights. I'm even more impressed with the no-BS approach the groom took. Often family does get certain lee-way, but in this case it was good to see that idiot not ruin the B&G's big day.


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Sep 30, 2012 15:12 |  #12

From what I was told from other guests and wedding party people...
He is a cousin of the groom... His dad has lots of $$ and inviting his son was out of respect to him (I.e. family politics)... B&G did not want him there because he asked for how own table and wanted his own guests, and he has been known to cause trouble....
Apparently a lot in his family were waiting for him to get in a fight, which he usually does... But was told to be on his best behavior or be sent home at first sign of trouble... So no wonder once the groom heard we were talking about the cousin, he was quick to send him out!


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Sep 30, 2012 16:51 |  #13

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I'd not have spoken to a guest like that, even if they had turned my lights off, and I would avoid bothering the B&G unless I had to. I'd have just moved the light.

+1

I just don't see any value in entering into a disagreement like this with a wedding guest or bothering the bride and groom with an issue like this, no matter how much a douche someone was.

I can actually understand someone not being happy with a studio head going off all the time if it was near to them. They obviously didn't go about getting it resolved in the right way but I don't think the photographer being rude to them and getting the bride and groom involved was right either ..... just apologise and move the flash head.

A well off single chap with 4 girls at his table all = possible future clients but definitely not now and who knows how many other people they told about this photographer getting them chucked out of a wedding?


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Sep 30, 2012 17:43 |  #14

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I just don't see any value in entering into a disagreement like this with a wedding guest or bothering the bride and groom with an issue like this, no matter how much a douche someone was.

I can actually understand someone not being happy with a studio head going off all the time if it was near to them. They obviously didn't go about getting it resolved in the right way but I don't think the photographer being rude to them and getting the bride and groom involved was right either ..... just apologise and move the flash head.

A well off single chap with 4 girls at his table all = possible future clients but definitely not now and who knows how many other people they told about this photographer getting them chucked out of a wedding?

Im glad Im not the only one who feels this way.


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Sep 30, 2012 18:00 |  #15

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Good for you. I'm usually a really polite guy but if someone is dicking with my gear like that, I have no problem telling them to stuff it.

same. same but not when i'm shooting a wedding. my main goal is to make everyone remember us for being friendly and accommodating. we actually get compliments from guests at our weddings comparing us to other photographers who yelled or weren't friendly.

I would have apologized and moved the lights, no matter how much of a jerk he was being. Kill 'em with kindness.

BUT. sounds like this guy was a douche canoe and odds are he would have had an issue with you regardless, so you handled it the best way for your situation.


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