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Nov 03, 2012 15:50 as a reply to  @ post 15202772 |  #106

If that is why you are upgradinging than the 6d should be fine.


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Nov 03, 2012 16:07 as a reply to  @ post 15202772 |  #107

Also hoping that the AF is a bit better though. Keeping in mind the rule of thirds, I'm a bit worried that the AF of the 6D won't be good enough. That's why I like the 5D3 so much, but I don't take enough pictures to justify its price. Another thing I really like about the 6D is that it works with the EOS Remote App for iOS, makes taking selfportaits a lot easier.


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Nov 03, 2012 17:29 as a reply to  @ jocau's post |  #108

Focus recompose really is a non issue for static subjects. I have a hard time believing that the outer focus points will be so crippling on this body

Ok, let's say worst case is the auto focus is the same as the t3i(we know the center point is much better). For what most people want from ff, this should be sufficient, no? I mean I think that specs and advancements are getting in the way of clouding what we think we need and what we do need. The 5dii is a very loved camera, that has taken many great images. This will be a new, slightly better version of that. I have wanted a 5d2 for years, and I will probably get this because when I pull the trigger soon, it will be what I wanted plus some perks.


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Nov 03, 2012 17:48 as a reply to  @ Nick3434's post |  #109

The depth of field at any given aperture will be less with a fullframe DSLR compared to a cropped sensor DSLR which makes it more prone to backfocus when using the focus & recompose method. I also wanted a 5D2 but never pulled the trigger because of the horrible AF stories.


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Nov 03, 2012 18:10 |  #110

jocau wrote in post #15202921 (external link)
Also hoping that the AF is a bit better though. Keeping in mind the rule of thirds, I'm a bit worried that the AF of the 6D won't be good enough. That's why I like the 5D3 so much, but I don't take enough pictures to justify its price. Another thing I really like about the 6D is that it works with the EOS Remote App for iOS, makes taking selfportaits a lot easier.

You'll get no rule of thirds coverage at all with the 6D. Its focus point layout is the same as the 5D and 5D2. Which is to say, imagine taking your 550D's autofocus sensor and stuffing it into a full frame camera. The focus points would have the same distance between them as before, but suddenly the frame they're in is now a lot bigger. The end result is that the focus points will be concentrated towards the center of the frame.

Which is to say, instead of this:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7263/8152028406_eed40d1ce8.jpg

You now get this:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7125/8152028442_4a599384e6.jpg


With the only difference between the 5D2 and the 6D being that there are two more focus points located next to the center point.

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Nov 03, 2012 21:33 |  #111

I always set my AF point to the center, so will the differences in the AF between the 6D and 5DMkII really matter? I ask only because I don't fully understand all the tech talk. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've changed the AF point to one of the other points.

I want to add a full frame camera. I currently have a 60D and a T1i. Getting used to the different controls between cameras is not an issue for me.


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Nov 03, 2012 23:35 |  #112

flyinlow007 wrote in post #15203831 (external link)
I always set my AF point to the center, so will the differences in the AF between the 6D and 5DMkII really matter?

They easily could, because the center point on the 6D is supposed to be some 2 stops more sensitive (i.e., good down to -3 EV) than that of the 5D2.

Operationally, however, it won't make the slightest bit of difference for you. It'll just be that much better and more reliable in low light.


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Nov 04, 2012 03:18 |  #113

kcbrown wrote in post #15203273 (external link)
You now get this:

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With the only difference between the 5D2 and the 6D being that there are two more focus points located next to the center point.

At least the most left AF point and the most right AF point are approximately located at 1/3 and 2/3.


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Nov 04, 2012 15:53 |  #114

jocau wrote in post #15204689 (external link)
At least the most left AF point and the most right AF point are approximately located at 1/3 and 2/3.

That's true, but you have to recompose in order to get objects in the corners, which is where you'd normally put things when doing rule-of-thirds placement (not always, mind you, but usually).

The locations of the points in the crop viewfinder are better for that.

Note, too, that the left and right AF points are not cross-type, and the experience of people who have owned the 5D and 5D2 is that they are usable only in good light.

My experience with Canon line-type sensors is with a 30D, and I found them to be much less useful than a cross-type sensor. For me, going from the 30D to a 40D was a night and day difference in terms of usability for that reason alone.


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