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Oct 16, 2012 09:45 |  #1

Another of those threads...I'm making the move to DSLR for video. Based on specs and intuition, I'd like to know how many would recommend waiting for the 6D and how many suggest just going with the 5D MK II.

I'd love to have the camera today, but that "Deep Green" demo video that Canon is using to advertise the 6D has some amazing looking footage shot at 12800 ISO.

Also worth noting, it appears than Canon seems to think the 6D is a superior camera for videos based on the ordering of this comparison site:

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Oct 16, 2012 09:50 |  #2

My vote would be for the 5D2, just because of the large number of third party accessories that have been made for the 5D2 and recording video. It's going to take some time before some of those come out for the 6D, if ever.


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Oct 16, 2012 10:24 |  #3

Has anyone seen specs on 6D maximum video recording time? It seems this was one of the downsides in video of 5DII vs. 5DIII... the 5DII can only record 12 minutes or so at one time, whereas the 5DIII can do 29 minutes.

I would imagine that the 6D is going to be somewhere in between, but I haven't seen this particular bit of info on Canon's site or the brochures posted in the main 6D "officially announced" thread.

That is on paper anyway; to those of you who shoot lots of video, does this even sound like a big deal or limiting factor, insofar as maximum recording at one time goes?


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Oct 16, 2012 11:09 |  #4

ddk632 wrote in post #15129469 (external link)
Has anyone seen specs on 6D maximum video recording time? It seems this was one of the downsides in video of 5DII vs. 5DIII... the 5DII can only record 12 minutes or so at one time, whereas the 5DIII can do 29 minutes.

I would imagine that the 6D is going to be somewhere in between, but I haven't seen this particular bit of info on Canon's site or the brochures posted in the main 6D "officially announced" thread.

That is on paper anyway; to those of you who shoot lots of video, does this even sound like a big deal or limiting factor, insofar as maximum recording at one time goes?

For me the max recording time is completely irrelevant. I can't think of anything I'd be shooting that would stay stationary and in focus for longer than a minute. I suppose if you were recording a wedding from one single angle it might make a difference.


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Oct 16, 2012 11:24 |  #5

Just remember that the new longer max record time on the MKIII is only due to the way it creates multiple files, you will still have to piece them together if shooting for longer than 4GB file size.


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Oct 16, 2012 11:31 |  #6

I had no idea about that. Thanks for the info.

I also can't imagine shooting for that long. I do family videos and stuff, for which I bought a (really good) Sony P&S that does full 1080p AVCHD recording. My next DSLR will have video and inevitably I will use it, but it's at the bottom of my list really.


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Oct 16, 2012 14:03 |  #7

dave_bass5 wrote in post #15129731 (external link)
Just remember that the new longer max record time on the MKIII is only due to the way it creates multiple files, you will still have to piece them together if shooting for longer than 4GB file size.

But does it leave a noticeable gap in between?


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Oct 16, 2012 14:10 |  #8

Apparently not but I can't confirm it as I've not tried it.


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Oct 17, 2012 19:12 |  #9

Starting to lean toward the 5D Mark II...Really wish I could know an exact ship date if I pre-ordred at 6D today. Would hate to order one and have them be back-ordered for months


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Oct 18, 2012 06:21 |  #10

I believe, if read correctly, that Canon has made the 6d so it records up to 30min continuously. I know you said you would never shoot more than say 12min but trust me, it will happen to you at the worst time!

As one person mentioned about 3rd party accessories, I don't think that will matter in video. If it's got a tripod mount on the bottom then you're good. Plus, it will fit into/go onto any stabilizer.

If you want to save some money for older technology that is still great technology, buy a used 5dii now right from these forums for around $1500. If you want some new specs, a new sensor, better tech in some places and don't mind spending nearly double, get the 6d.


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Oct 18, 2012 08:29 |  #11

Yeah, I suppose it's definitely possible that the longer recording time will come into play at some point. I guess my main deciding criteria is still which one will do better in low light...And if the 6D is better in low light, how much better is it? It's killing me that I can't see a comparison video right now.


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Oct 19, 2012 08:22 |  #12

Does the 6D have the same anti-aliasing filter as the MKIII? The MKIII has improved moire, aliasing and rolling shutter over the MKII. Its something thats bugging me with my current 60D.

Be great to have Full Frame for low light & keep the 60D for slow motion.




  
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Oct 19, 2012 08:37 |  #13

ddk632 is somewhat correct and as others have pointed out, there are real consideration beyond camera model that may steer you toward a dedicated video device.

There are also some things that you should be aware of concerning shooting video and these likly apply to any DSLR made by Canon. One major consideration is based on public law, not camera capability.

The manual for most Canon DSLR's mentions that video recording can shut down if the sensor overheats. From my understanding that typically only happens after 15-20 minutes but could be sooner if you are repeatedly recording videos, even in segments. Not that it likely has any bearing on your question, at least at present, but when you make your decision use a class 10 card if at all possible and keep in mind that there are a tremendous number of counterfeit cards in the on-line marketplace. They may be labeled 10 but could be something altogether different. Get your memory from a reputable source, read that not eBay!

Also, be aware there are some limitations on how much you can record, even with the best of memory cards. More than 12 minutes can be recorded but there are some limitations. When the file size reaches 4 GB on most Canon DSLR's, recording will automatically stop. That means that at 1920x1080 dpi and 1280x720 dpi the maximum recording time of a single movie clip is about 12 minutes. At 640x480 dpi it is about 24 minutes. Check the 5DMKII (or 5DMKIII) manual.

These numbers may vary slightly for the 5DII, but capacity of the card differs in recorded time; at 1920x1080 dpi or 1280x720 dpi you can stuff about 44 minutes total of video onto a 16 gig card. At 640x480 dpi or crop 640x480 dpi this goes up to 1 hour 32 minutes. However, from my 60D manual, "the maximum recording time of one movie clip is 29 min. 59 sec. Depending on the subject and the increase in the camera's internal temperature, the movie shooting might stop sooner than 29 min. 59 sec." The 29 min 59 second limit is for legal reasons. If the camera could exceed that time limit, then it is classed as a video device and the import duties would change. This is not just the Canon line, Pentax for instance states "Like competing DSLRs, the Pentax K-5 also monitors sensor temperature during recording, and will halt capture if the temperature rises beyond a certain threshold." A reputable source also states "This limitation is due to the different (European) import duty rates for still and video cameras." There is no reference made to differing duty rates of product entering the United States however. So there may really be two limitations, one, the 29 min 59 seconds limitation imposed legally, and a sensor temperature issue that might also be reached in some rare circumstance.

By the way, the shutdown due to temperature can be a real drawback so consider purchasing a true video device if you are capturing something critical. At a recent horse show I was recording almost continuously and my 60D stopped based on sensor temperature. I had to wait several minutes before I could restart, missing several horses in the competition.




  
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Oct 19, 2012 10:18 |  #14

John from PA wrote in post #15142406 (external link)
ddk632 is somewhat correct and as others have pointed out, there are real consideration beyond camera model that may steer you toward a dedicated video device.

There are also some things that you should be aware of concerning shooting video and these likly apply to any DSLR made by Canon. One major consideration is based on public law, not camera capability.

The manual for most Canon DSLR's mentions that video recording can shut down if the sensor overheats. From my understanding that typically only happens after 15-20 minutes but could be sooner if you are repeatedly recording videos, even in segments. Not that it likely has any bearing on your question, at least at present, but when you make your decision use a class 10 card if at all possible and keep in mind that there are a tremendous number of counterfeit cards in the on-line marketplace. They may be labeled 10 but could be something altogether different. Get your memory from a reputable source, read that not eBay!

Also, be aware there are some limitations on how much you can record, even with the best of memory cards. More than 12 minutes can be recorded but there are some limitations. When the file size reaches 4 GB on most Canon DSLR's, recording will automatically stop. That means that at 1920x1080 dpi and 1280x720 dpi the maximum recording time of a single movie clip is about 12 minutes. At 640x480 dpi it is about 24 minutes. Check the 5DMKII (or 5DMKIII) manual.

These numbers may vary slightly for the 5DII, but capacity of the card differs in recorded time; at 1920x1080 dpi or 1280x720 dpi you can stuff about 44 minutes total of video onto a 16 gig card. At 640x480 dpi or crop 640x480 dpi this goes up to 1 hour 32 minutes. However, from my 60D manual, "the maximum recording time of one movie clip is 29 min. 59 sec. Depending on the subject and the increase in the camera's internal temperature, the movie shooting might stop sooner than 29 min. 59 sec." The 29 min 59 second limit is for legal reasons. If the camera could exceed that time limit, then it is classed as a video device and the import duties would change. This is not just the Canon line, Pentax for instance states "Like competing DSLRs, the Pentax K-5 also monitors sensor temperature during recording, and will halt capture if the temperature rises beyond a certain threshold." A reputable source also states "This limitation is due to the different (European) import duty rates for still and video cameras." There is no reference made to differing duty rates of product entering the United States however. So there may really be two limitations, one, the 29 min 59 seconds limitation imposed legally, and a sensor temperature issue that might also be reached in some rare circumstance.

By the way, the shutdown due to temperature can be a real drawback so consider purchasing a true video device if you are capturing something critical. At a recent horse show I was recording almost continuously and my 60D stopped based on sensor temperature. I had to wait several minutes before I could restart, missing several horses in the competition.

I really appreciate the response and detailed info. I've definitely gone back and forth between choosing a DSLR and a true camcorder. The film-like look of video shot with the Canon DSLRs is what keeps bringing me back. Like many others I'm a sucker for the look of shots with a short DOF. Now that GoPro has again upgraded their camera line, I think run-and-gun footage from a couple of GoPro 3's will do well at complimenting planned shots off a DSLR.


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