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Oct 16, 2012 11:32 |  #1
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Need your opinions on this. I may be shooting a paid gig in here: NYC Green Space. It is a annual benefit event for a public advocate organization. About 150 people will be attending.

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How should I light this place? 13ft height ceiling. Over 1800 sq ft. Looking at some of the shots of the venue, there is nothing to bounce from since the ceiling is black and it has some lighting rack up. I am thinking about shooting at ISO1600 to 3200 and using a single shoe mount 580exII at reduced power and gel. 1/250s shutter speed the whole time. Also, towards the back of the venue, there are windows too.


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Oct 16, 2012 11:37 |  #2

Why the 1/250 shutter speed? Dragging the shutter will allow you to get a better balance between flash and ambient, you might not need 3200 ISO. I'd also use an adjustable bounce card like the rogue flashbender or a foam bounce card to soften the light a bit and provide a bigger catchlight. Those bounce cards can be directed so that you are kicking the full amount of light forward.




  
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gonzogolf wrote in post #15129767 (external link)
Why the 1/250 shutter speed? Dragging the shutter will allow you to get a better balance between flash and ambient, you might not need 3200 ISO. I'd also use an adjustable bounce card like the rogue flashbender or a foam bounce card to soften the light a bit and provide a bigger catchlight. Those bounce cards can be directed so that you are kicking the full amount of light forward.


Got it. Will use a slower shutter speed and keeping ISO speed to 1600. Will use a bounce card.


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Oct 16, 2012 11:50 |  #4

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Got it. Will use a slower shutter speed and keeping ISO speed to 1600. Will use a bounce card.

Dont you know this is the internet? You are supposed to argue against all advice given you :) You are far too agreeable.




  
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Oct 16, 2012 11:50 |  #5

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Dont you know this is the internet? You are supposed to argue against all advice given you :) You are far too agreeable.

Thats not true! ;)


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gonzogolf wrote in post #15129829 (external link)
Dont you know this is the internet? You are supposed to argue against all advice given you :) You are far too agreeable.


What for?? :) I seriously doubt that the ambient light would be that dark. It isn't a performance event. I may have a hard time trying to get an overall shot of the venue though. I may need to use ISO3200 or more shooting with ambient light only.


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Oct 16, 2012 12:11 |  #7

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What for?? :) I seriously doubt that the ambient light would be that dark. It isn't a performance event. I may have a hard time trying to get an overall shot of the venue though. I may need to use ISO3200 or more shooting with ambient light only.

Just kidding you. These days so many people ask for advice, then argue why they can't/won't take it. I just looked at the exif from some shots I took in a poorly lit hotel ballroom. I got a nice ambient balance using the strobe at ISO 1000. I dont know what camera you are using, but 3200 seems to be less flexible on my 5D so I only go there when neccessary.




  
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gonzogolf wrote in post #15129903 (external link)
Just kidding you. These days so many people ask for advice, then argue why they can't/won't take it. I just looked at the exif from some shots I took in a poorly lit hotel ballroom. I got a nice ambient balance using the strobe at ISO 1000. I dont know what camera you are using, but 3200 seems to be less flexible on my 5D so I only go there when neccessary.


1dmarkIII. ISO2000 is still good as long as there is little cropping. Above that, NR must apply. I do have a special NR program, FlexNR, that can make my ISO3200 shots too look very clean. Here is a shot shot at ISO3200 with FlexNR applied and cropped too.

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Oct 16, 2012 12:24 |  #9

TooManyShots wrote in post #15129926 (external link)
1dmarkIII. ISO2000 is still good as long as there is little cropping. Above that, NR must apply. I do have a special NR program, FlexNR, that can make my ISO3200 shots too look very clean. Here is a shot shot at ISO3200 with FlexNR applied and cropped too.

Maybe its me, but I dont find indoor lighting to be as forgiving at higher ISO's. Maybe because its often not full spectrum light so its less flattering to begin with.




  
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Oct 16, 2012 21:28 |  #10

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Thats not true! ;)

I'm sorry, is this a 5 minute argument or the full half-hour?
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Just came back from the shoot. Can you say holy batman low light??? The ambient light was only slightly better than the condition in a bar. I was at ISO 2000, 1/125 to 1/160 shutter speed. F4 to 4.5. I was still -2 stops exposed to the ambient light. Fortunately, the mother of all flash diffuser, Flashbender, did its job pretty nicely. I didn't get any excessively dark background. I am feeling that my 24-70L on a 1dmarkIII isn't wide enough to get some head to toe shots in a very confined space. :) If I may need to pickup a 17-40L or 16-35L for these tight space venue.


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What do you guys think? Just testing out how to process these shots.

Staff shots after event.

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Stage shot with couple of spot lights. The light color is very warm here too. Shot with my 70-200L. I don't shoot a lot of people giving speeches and is kind of hard to capture a pose that can convey something with a deeper meaning....

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Check out that LCD TV at the back....hahahaha.. what an exposure nightmare...

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Oct 27, 2012 11:32 |  #13

I'd say these turned out pretty well.


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Oct 27, 2012 19:31 as a reply to  @ stsva's post |  #14

ISO 2000, 1/125 to 1/160 shutter speed, F4 to 4.5 giving you 2 stops under isn't all that horrible. I mean, it isn't the greatest, but I wouldn't find that too challenging.

That said, I think the shots turned out good. I might just brighten up the left side on the first photo just a tad to compensate for that little bit of fall off.

Otherwise, they look fine for what they are. Event photos. You take what the place gives you. Nothing more you can do.




  
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ISO 2000, 1/125 to 1/160 shutter speed, F4 to 4.5 giving you 2 stops under isn't all that horrible. I mean, it isn't the greatest, but I wouldn't find that too challenging.

That said, I think the shots turned out good. I might just brighten up the left side on the first photo just a tad to compensate for that little bit of fall off.

Otherwise, they look fine for what they are. Event photos. You take what the place gives you. Nothing more you can do.


Thanks Nick. One more of shot of the rest of the "studio." Basically, you have some light falls off and spill over from the main stage to the rest of the "studio." Maybe you have one or two spot lights overhead.

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