OK, so ready to upgrade my XSI

Nick3434 wrote in post #15139721
Top LCD, huge neccessary at this point
Pentaprism viewfinder. It is much better.

I am surprised at how thrilled I am with the 60d over the xsi. Really.

Agree, went from an XSi to 60D, substantial upgrade. Change settings using top LCD while keeping the rear LCD folded in....PRICELESS. Shoot the 60D with good glass...you may not want FF

watson76 wrote in post #15139777
One thing I have noticed after extensive research is that the 7D sensor seems to be much better than the other 18mp sensors even though they are noted to be the same. in fact dcwatch has a good comparison of the 7D and 5D Mark II and there is very little between the two.

This doesn't shock me much. I wouldn't really consider the 5DII an upgrade from the 7D... it's just full frame. If you don't need a FF body (and I don't think you do) I would have a hard time recommending a 5DII over a 7D.

Edit: Getting my posts confused, I was also commenting on a thread where the OP was into sports. I take back my comment about not needing a full frame body...

If you understand what a full frame body would do for you, and have the glass to take advantage of it, it's certainly worth considering, but if you don't specifically need what full frame has to offer, and/or most of your lenses are non-L or even EF-S, the 7D may be a better option.

watson76 wrote in post #15139777
One thing I have noticed after extensive research is that the 7D sensor seems to be much better than the other 18mp sensors even though they are noted to be the same. in fact dcwatch has a good comparison of the 7D and 5D Mark II and there is very little between the two.

I haven't noticed that at all from minimal research. The sensors are the same.... the difference is the AF

I would look into Canon CLP and get a refurb 5d MII for portraits or stills.

If sports is your thing get a 7D.

watson76 wrote in post #15139777
One thing I have noticed after extensive research is that the 7D sensor seems to be much better than the other 18mp sensors even though they are noted to be the same. in fact dcwatch has a good comparison of the 7D and 5D Mark II and there is very little between the two.

That's news to me, i would say.. more often than not, the 7D has slightly-worse performance (if there are any differences) than the 60D/T4i/T3i and maybe even T2i.

watson76 wrote in post #15139777
One thing I have noticed after extensive research is that the 7D sensor seems to be much better than the other 18mp sensors even though they are noted to be the same. in fact dcwatch has a good comparison of the 7D and 5D Mark II and there is very little between the

some "research" !!
As crazy as it seems there are people who think the image quality of the XSi/450D is better than the 7D !
http://darwinwiggett.w​ordpress.com/2009/11/1​1/the-canon-7d/

What is the XSi limiting you to do? I upgraded from that same body to a 7d. I did it mostly for shooting sports, but I do some portrait work also. The image quality of the XSi is pretty good imo. if the only lens you have is the 50 1.4, I would seriously consider spending that money on something like a 70-200 or even a 24-70 lens. But to answer your original question, If you are set on upgrading a body, then I would go for the 5dii anyday of the week.....

I would personally never shoot a Rebel body again. Why? The lack of a second control dial. It's virtually impossible to control shutter and aperture at the same time using a Rebel body.

I really think you should consider a 60D. If it were me, a touch screen would mean nothing compared to a second control dial.

If you go for a 5D2, the better controls will also be a godsend. (not to mention it's great for portraits)

I started with a 550D and was fairly good with it, but it was a pain to shoot models with changing lighting conditions. When I went to a 5D3 I was amazed at just how much easier it was to shoot with dual controls. I went from using mostly AV mode (due to lack of ability to change shutter and aperture at same time) to shooting 100% in manual mode.

I ordered the 5D2 from Amazon, hopefully it exceeds my expectations for $1800 it better

i wish this forum had a "like" button"... lol

5D Mark II arrived this morning from Amazon. Almost forgot to buy compact flash. Bottom line it's a sexy body with a great viewfinder but I am not in all honesty finding an appreciable difference in IQ between it and my XSI at low ISO, so being the cheap bargain hunting bastard I am I am sending it back to Amazon. I guess that at least gets the whole APC vs FF mystery out of my system once and for all. Now I might rethink a newer Rebel or 60D...

I would use it more then a few hours lol. Do some testing. Use good glass. I guarantee the 5D has a lot better IQ then any cropper.

Try taking a low light shot at 3200 ISO. You will be hooked! The 5DII is an awesome body. I've had an xSI, 7d, 5dii and now a 5diii. I think the IQ of the 5Dii is The best bang for your buck.

Daship wrote in post #15146855
I would use it more then a few hours lol. Do some testing. Use good glass. I guarantee the 5D has a lot better IQ then any cropper.

Honestly Id rather not fall in love. Rather save my $1800 and be happy with what I got or get something cheaper. The IQ is great , but the truth is IQ is pretty impressive on any body these days if you ask me. I just needed to satisfy my curiously about the mark ii and FF...

You WILL see a difference.

I went from the XSi to the 5Dc then to the 7D. I can tell you that for me the XSi is NOT better than a 7d for IQ. The original 5D beats them both. In fact I plan on picking up another 5d just for doing non-action shots.

If you think the 5DII is similar in IQ to the XSi then you are doing something wrong.