The film crowds are so uptight....they can strangle themselves...

They are so uptight they can almost strangle themselves. Hehehehe....there are even some unwritten rules on the message board that forbid any discussions on DSLR. God forbids you use your DSLR or PS for metering? You are told your metering is wrong BUT I have the shots to show that it works. What is the freaking problem? Oh, I am doing it wrong and not understanding film and digital photography exposures are 2 different beasts. You know what, I am just going to do my own thing and leave them in peace in their own little world.

Feel the same with my videographer friend.

Paolo.Leviste wrote in post #15140562
Feel the same with my videographer friend.

It was sad.....the photo is the end result that matters. Not if you follow all the rules correctly.

I'm a long-time film shooter and I still shoot it from time to time. Everything you just said sounds silly to me. Shoot what you want, how you want and if you are happy with what you shot, you did it right.

Is this about the 'reflective vs. incident' thread? I never picked up on a film vs. digital theme.

Uhhhh...no.

I was fairly active on a film board a while ago (in fact, considering not too long ago I had 30+ film bodies with at least as many lenses, and I shoot film regularly, I'd call myself part of the "film crowd') and the people on there were absolutely awesome. No hating DSLRs (even when I told them that I was selling a lot of my film gear to fund my 1D Mark III), no arbitrary hatred of other brands (I'm looking at all the tools on here who do the "Nikon sucks" crap), etc, etc...most of them were also super nice and knowledgeable.

Thanks for this thread...I'm gonna check out that board now (haven't shot any film since I moved to Korea, as all my film gear is back home, so I haven't been on the film board), and say hi to the crew

You had to start a thread to tell us you're going to do your own thing? That tells me a lot. Thanks.

I know a few people who have started using film. I won't, but if someone wants to I'm sure they have a good reason.

moose10101 wrote in post #15142468
You had to start a thread to tell us you're going to do your own thing? That tells me a lot. Thanks.

I can't vent there since I have been told to respect their way of life kind of way.....

Said goodbye to film years ago and I don't plan to go back to it, but if someone wishes to shoot film, I wish them luck...To each his(or her) own.

TooManyShots wrote in post #15142523
I can't vent there since I have been told to respect their way of life kind of way.....

I can see where having to abide by the rules of a forum might cause anguish for you.

moose10101 wrote in post #15142552
I can see where having to abide by the rules of a forum might cause anguish for you.

Yeah, you mean like here we have some unwritten rules on not talking about Nikon????? LOL. We never make Nikon users to feel unwelcome. Get real. These film crowds hate digital photography so much they don't think outside the box. Let alone actually go out and shoot photos, that's what matters. You know they are so uptight when they need to wiki on what is ISO. There was one post one of their members considered his mentor to be great because she could meter the scene with her eyes and hands. Of course, I was about to reply to him and asking what sorts of works did his mentor produced so far???? I am just rolling my eyes.

Foodguy wrote in post #15142225
Is this about the 'reflective vs. incident' thread? I never picked up on a film vs. digital theme.

It was on another message board. Yes, it was relating to my question and somehow the topic got switched to ISO setting on DSLR can not be mixed with film speed setting on light meter and film camera.....because all ISO setting on each DSLR body has its own standard. Could you imagine here we begin to talk about my F stop on my 1dmarkIII is different than your F stops on your XTI??? It was like I was in a twilight zone....

TooManyShots wrote in post #15142577
Yeah, you mean like here we have some unwritten rules on not talking about Nikon????? LOL. We never make Nikon users to feel unwelcome. Get real. These film crowds hate digital photography so much they don't think outside the box. Let alone actually go out and shoot photos, that's what matters. You know they are so uptight when they need to wiki on what is ISO. There was one post one of their members considered his mentor to be great because she could meter the scene with her eyes and hands. Of course, I was about to reply to him and asking what sorts of works did his mentor produced so far???? I am just rolling my eyes.

I don't know about most of that because I've never run into whole groups of people like that but I'm sure there are some out there. But I will say that shooting film - especially with some of the older film cameras - requires a higher degree of skill than digital. You can't easily just go into post and bump up the exposure. 800 ISO is about the max you get for useful shots. You can "push" film but the result is often much less pleasant than pushing a digital camera a stop. If you think dynamic range is bad in a DSLR, try shooting Kodachrome.

And if that wasn't enough, you lose the ability to chimp as well. The shot is what it is until you get the film developed and proofed.

Still, over many years I was able to develop a knack for determining exposure without the meter. Most of the time, I could select an aperture and shutter combination based on the film I used in a natural lighting environment and get it right. Sure I was often off by +/- 1/3 stop and occasionally even a full stop. But for the most part I would get it right. Of course when it was critical I would use a meter. But it's amazing how quickly you learn exposure when it costs you the shot and $20 every time you get it wrong.

Anyone who has learned these skills over many years of trial and error is bound to develop a sense of pride. This can lead to seeing people who shoot auto-ISO, program and green box as inferior. They will likely see others who may shoot manual but only after chimping a dozen times to get the exposure right as equally inferior.

I'm sure it is easy to fall into the ego trap because it is difficult for some to realize that each person is on their own path with their own agenda and their own ideas on what is important. Some will get vocal about people who do things differently but these will likely be younger people who have self-esteem issues and their entire self-image revolves around this idea of themselves that the things that they do are the important ones (to them of course) and that they are good at them.

And I'm sure these people gravitate towards one another, stroking each others' egos as well because nothing feels better than outside confirmation that your ideas are right. That's why boards like this exist. That's why facebook grew so huge so fast. And as human beings, none of us really enjoy stepping too far outside our comfort zone. Ego stroking is a basic need. It's not just human. It extends to other primates as well. Some need it more than others and some need to be jerks to others to get that. Some get it from putting others down while others get it from lifting others up, but we all need it and obtain it in some minor way.

So I guess the point is - neither you nor I are exempt from the feelings and conditions that cause people to be like that. We just deal with it in different ways in different areas. Rather than griping about how other people on another board are "uptight", find yourself a board where you feel welcome and stay there.

TooManyShots wrote in post #15142666
It was on another message board. Yes, it was relating to my question and somehow the topic got switched to ISO setting on DSLR can not be mixed with film speed setting on light meter and film camera.....because all ISO setting on each DSLR body has its own standard. Could you imagine here we begin to talk about my F stop on my 1dmarkIII is different than your F stops on your XTI??? It was like I was in a twilight zoom....

^ OK, thanks. I was a bit confused there for a moment.