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Oct 26, 2012 15:27 |  #16

Not sure if this helps or not but here's a pic I took yesterday with the 40mm pancake lens. All my time is on point and shoot. This is my first DSLR. I am very pleased. It's very nice to be able to move through the menu's with the touch screen.

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Oct 26, 2012 16:15 |  #17

BrickR wrote in post #15172752 (external link)
Just make sure you do the proper "due diligence" on understanding the AF in video mode of the T4i. On paper it sounds great, but watch demonstrations to make sure you understand how good it really is. Would suck to spend more on the T4i and then find out it isn't the AF you were expecting. Just some forewarning. (Same goes for the burst rate of the T4i)
I thought it was awesome when seeing the spec sheet, but watching video reviews/demos I thought "good on paper, not quite the same in practice"

You seem to be really looking into options well, so I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever you get :)

This is true- about the AF for video mode.. It's not perfect- but if you can't manually focus worth a darn- it's probably still better than anything. But you still have the option of turning it off- at which point- it's no worse than any other Canon DSLR. The best thing the OP can do is go to a store that has a t4i and try it out...
Not sure about what you are saying about the burst mode on the t4i- I've not seen issues- but then and again- I know people might handicap a camera by turning on features that slow things down- just to show that there's a problem with it (when it is just when you have another particular feature enabled ). Most of which I've seen have references to resetting the camera back to defaults, shooting too high of an iso, turning off HTP, properly formatting the SD card, and choosing a good fast SD card. High ISO noise reduction and long exposure noise reduction could also negatively impact fps..

On mine, when I tried it- without any adjustment beyond the norm- and with a good card- it just clicked away and away- no noticeable slowdown- and I rattled away for a few seconds- longer than I typically burst anyways. But these cameras are Rebels- not the higher end cameras like a 7D or 5D3...


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Oct 26, 2012 16:24 |  #18

Yeah, that's interesting. It looks like the T4i buffer fills up pretty quickly, but clears quickly too. 60D shares a similar RAW continuous rate with the T4i, but the T4i is full after 6 shots. The 60D is full after 15 shots. 4 seconds after full, the T4i can shoot ~7 more shots, but the 60D is only good for ~4 shots after 4 seconds...

So, there are some considerations there. The T4i really cleans out its buffer nicely though. If they introduce a 70D, it may start bouncing some stats off of 7D territory...

(performance data source: http://www.imaging-resource.com …canon-t4i/canon-t4iA6.HTM (external link))


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Oct 26, 2012 18:36 as a reply to  @ waterrockets's post |  #19

There is a guy who goes by the username "R2D2" on DP Review that recently bought a T4i/650D. He bought it as a back-up to his 50D but he likes the T4i/650D so much that it is now the other way around: the 50D is now the 'back-up'! Check this thread for some pretty awesome BIF shots: http://forums.dpreview​.com/forums/post/41939​641 (external link) And this is another of his threads about the T4i/650D: http://forums.dpreview​.com …33532#forum-post-41977696 (external link)

In the previously cited Lens Rentals story, the T4i/650D shows to have better AF than the 50D, 60D, 7D, 5D Mk2, and was just as good as the 1Ds Mk2! http://www.lensrentals​.com …ity-part-3b-canon-cameras (external link)

I can't recall if anyone has mentioned the new touch screen interface - a first for DSLRs, and it looks to be pretty handy to use.

Here is a video which demonstrates the new Continuous Video AF. It's not perfect, but not bad either: http://www.youtube.com …ture=youtube_gd​ata_player (external link)

T3i compared to T4i: http://www.lightandmat​ter.org …t3i-whats-the-difference/ (external link)

Last but not least, when it comes to lens selection, be sure to get the new 18-135 mm IS STM lens which is available with the T4i/650D as a "Kit". This lens was recently reviewed by Photozone and they gave it 5 Stars for 'Price/Performance'. Complete review here: http://www.photozone.d​e …776-canon_18135_3556stmis (external link)

Good luck with your shopping!

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Oct 26, 2012 19:35 |  #20

I chose the t3i!




  
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Oct 26, 2012 20:06 |  #21

Besides the added features mentioned above, the T4i also sounds more "serious" as for the shutter sound. It has a new shutter compared to the previous rebels, and it does not have the typical shutter whine. I like it a lot more.


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Oct 26, 2012 20:29 |  #22

gabebalazs wrote in post #15173846 (external link)
Besides the added features mentioned above, the T4i also sounds more "serious" as for the shutter sound. It has a new shutter compared to the previous rebels, and it does not have the typical shutter whine. I like it a lot more.

lol, yeah, I never noticed that my T2i sounds like a squeaky mousetrap, but when I got a proper shutter sound out of my 1D3 I was like O_o

Not a big deal though, I survived over two years with that as my only shutter sound :)


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Oct 26, 2012 20:35 |  #23
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I went through some of these arguments and finally went with the 7D:p


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Oct 26, 2012 21:09 |  #24

For what it's worth, most of the things mentioned in the thread seemed valid to me while I was shopping a few months ago. I went with the t4i. Completely happy. It was between it, the 60D and a t3i for me with a tiny bit of consideration given to a 7D. In the end, the size/weight won be over since I planned to buy a FF later.

I will say that I am pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoy the touchscreen and would have bet confidently that it would have been meaningless to me before the purchase.




  
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Oct 27, 2012 21:22 |  #25

wayne.robbins wrote in post #15171176 (external link)
...The t4i has a LOT of useful features that other Rebels have NEVER had.
...- the T4i was more accurate than the other Rebels, and even more accurate than some of the more "Pro" bodies - like the 60D/7D.. ( I have a 7D- and I noted that the t4i is more accurate myself- with nearly every lens I own )...

:thumbsup: So there are good things about it :) I've been listening to the wrong people.
I noticed HDR is also a feature on the T4i, not sure how well that will serve. Going to check out the other features when I go "play" with it at the store to see how it feels.

waterrockets wrote in post #15171490 (external link)
Yeah, I think the cross-type AF points would push the T4i over the hump past the T3i (for stills) if you're buying new.

Regarding differences with the 60D, keep in mind that there are more custom settings in the 60D, it's more weatherproof, and a much tougher (durable) body. Also, the rear dial can be used while shooting, but the touchscreen (T4i) can't.

I didn't think about that. Not being able to change ISO, shutter speed or anything while shooting with the touch screen... I guess it's something I could get used to though. Since I'm not even used to using a dial while shooting. Maybe it would be a pain afterwards..

BrickR wrote in post #15172752 (external link)
Just make sure you do the proper "due diligence" on understanding the AF in video mode of the T4i. On paper it sounds great, but watch demonstrations to make sure you understand how good it really is.

Yea if I choose it it won't really be just for the AF because I have seen video reviews about it and it doesn't amaze me:p.

Steenos wrote in post #15172994 (external link)
Not sure if this helps or not but here's a pic I took yesterday with the 40mm pancake lens. All my time is on point and shoot. This is my first DSLR. I am very pleased. It's very nice to be able to move through the menu's with the touch screen.

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Nice shot :). I've been reading a lot of posts in this forum mentioning that pancake lens, I will have look into that.

Yogi Bear wrote in post #15173577 (external link)
There is a guy who goes by the username "R2D2" on DP Review that recently bought a T4i/650D. He bought it as a back-up to his 50D but he likes the T4i/650D so much that it is now the other way around: the 50D is now the 'back-up'! Check this thread for some pretty awesome BIF shots: http://forums.dpreview​.com/forums/post/41939​641 (external link) And this is another of his threads about the T4i/650D: http://forums.dpreview​.com …33532#forum-post-41977696 (external link)
...

Last but not least, when it comes to lens selection, be sure to get the new 18-135 mm IS STM lens which is available with the T4i/650D as a "Kit". This lens was recently reviewed by Photozone and they gave it 5 Stars for 'Price/Performance'. Complete review here: http://www.photozone.d​e …776-canon_18135_3556stmis (external link)

Good luck with your shopping!

Yogi

Thanks :) If I get the T4i I will definitely choose the 18-135 mm IS STM lens, I wasn't sure about it at first, but now hearing so many recommendations for it, it seems like the best option so far.

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I chose the t3i!

why?

gabebalazs wrote in post #15173846 (external link)
Besides the added features mentioned above, the T4i also sounds more "serious" as for the shutter sound. It has a new shutter compared to the previous rebels, and it does not have the typical shutter whine. I like it a lot more.

waterrockets wrote in post #15173891 (external link)
lol, yeah, I never noticed that my T2i sounds like a squeaky mousetrap, but when I got a proper shutter sound out of my 1D3 I was like O_o

Not a big deal though, I survived over two years with that as my only shutter sound :)

Lol I also thought it was normal when I had the T2i! I didn't mind the sound though. I'm eager to see how the T4i sounds now.

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #15173907 (external link)
I went through some of these arguments and finally went with the 7D:p

Why?

diableri wrote in post #15173979 (external link)
For what it's worth, most of the things mentioned in the thread seemed valid to me while I was shopping a few months ago. I went with the t4i. Completely happy. It was between it, the 60D and a t3i for me with a tiny bit of consideration given to a 7D. In the end, the size/weight won be over since I planned to buy a FF later.
I will say that I am pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoy the touchscreen and would have bet confidently that it would have been meaningless to me before the purchase.

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Oct 27, 2012 22:40 |  #26

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:I didn't think about that. Not being able to change ISO, shutter speed or anything while shooting with the touch screen... I guess it's something I could get used to though. Since I'm not even used to using a dial while shooting. Maybe it would be a pain afterwards..

Yeah, the dial is not something you miss until you get used to it. Staying with a Rebel, you'll be fine, but it's something that annoys me about my T2i now that I have a 1D.


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Oct 27, 2012 23:53 |  #27
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Why?

I shoot a lot of wildlife, birds to be exactly. The 7D is a better camera overall.


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