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Oct 26, 2012 19:40 |  #1

I'm eying a sweet deal on a77+16-50 2.8 kit lens. I'm not unhappy with my kit--at all--but the feature set and reduced price make it intriguing.

I've real all the reviews and comparisons, but I guess I want to hear some thoughts from fellow Canon users what they have thought of the a77 in comparison--af, real world handling, internal is, and IQ.

I shoot a bit of everything for work--sports, event, portrait, landscape and even some video--to support my stories in the paper and go on my sports blog. I also shoot stills and vids of family stuff. The 60D has been a real good all-around performer for me, like I said, So I guess I'm curious what I would gain for the few hundred price difference.

I'm equally curious about the 16-50 2.8 lens. Is it on par with maybe the Sigma 17-50? I'm intersted in hearing from people who have actually used the A77.


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Oct 26, 2012 20:08 |  #2

If you have interest in shooting sports using high framerate bursts, then skip any and all of the Sony SLT cameras. The viewfinder image freezes and stops updating quickly during bursts. What you see is what was happening a fraction of a second ago, which makes it impossible to track action continuously.

I don't have enough experience with the imaging to comment on other possible uses of the camera.


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Oct 26, 2012 20:53 |  #3

For the record I am a total Canonist, that is by birth! But then some other cameras are also under umbrella of Canon in my book, one of them is Alpha XX sonys.

I have A55, and was one of those that got it as soon as it came out.

I love it. In short.

One major difference between this camera and any other DSLR prior to it, is that view finder is actually a tiny color monitor and not a real optical glass showing part of the light, before in camera mirror goes up to let sensor record image. Because mirror remains down all the time, it is very fast. Because view finder is not optical, any change you make, say exposure, F stop, ISO, etc, you actually will see how that contribute to final image in real time, instantly. On a normal DSLR you won't see what any factor contribute to image unless you take the picture or with certain limitations, using LiveView. Now this has the advantage as said, but also cons, specially on A55, it turns black for a short time (Lag time) after you have press the shutter to take that image so to recorded image. For Sport photographer this is very annoying. I personally do a lot of sport shooting and usually I never close my left eye, that is scanning the field for what to picture next, then right eye make sure the composition is fine. But this lag really is annoying paralyzing me temporarily.
One major difference of A77 is that lag is a lot shorter and instead of LCD monitor in view finder (As used in A55), Sony is using LED that is a lot more clear and nicer.
As for lens, You will love it.
On the whole, I strongly recommend Translucent mirror Alpha cameras. These are a generation ahead of conventional DSLRs and if you look carefully at 6D and newer line of Nikon you do see the finger print of Alpha 2XXs off course still without Translucent mirror that bigger brothers don't want to admit is a higher technology. That is yet. And you surely have heard the argument between BMW or Mercedes regarding Rare Wheel drive....

Go for it. You wont regret specially considering price factor as Unfortunately for what sony does that is a lot of pioneering and innovation, they do not get anything back and the major player of market remain to be The Bright and then The Dark side cameras.


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Oct 26, 2012 21:09 |  #4

Don't buy the A77... Sony hasn't released a new firmware yet that resolves the high iso noise issue... that camera is only usable from iso 800 and below and thats coming from a guy that things iso 3200 on my 7D is solid.

My cousin has one. Great camera but lacks NO back button focus button which is annoying and the blackout during fast shots is an issue thats yet to been fixed. The A57 has alot of these and other issues worked out but Sony hasn't worked on a new firmware... "yet". My cousin is patiently waiting for a firmware fix.


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Oct 26, 2012 22:58 |  #5

experience with sony, A900, 16-35mm zeiss, 70-200mm G, 4 units HVL-58

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sony got a great zeiss lens, but sony need a lot to learn about body
- stupid WB, changing manual WB in every situation, indoor even using flash are nightmare, you need flexible time to set up everything using sony like in studio
- slow AF even with 70-200mm G, miss a lot of moments because it won't locked
- worse ISO using A900, max iso1600
- they need to think about new hotshoe design, professional use, sony hotshoe are nightmare, often not firing, some angles will not firing, unreliable
- flash are not reliable, overheat issues, wireless also not reliable
- their ADI is a joke


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Oct 27, 2012 09:03 |  #6

Thanks to everyone for their input.

It seems the people who like the Sony Alpha line, really like it a lot. Those who don't like the Sony Alpha line, are adamant about it's shortcomings compared to Canon.


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Oct 27, 2012 11:10 |  #7

The guy from digitalrev was saying that it does something with exposure. I don't remember if it underexposes by half a stop or if it cuts off light by that amount, but it changes "normal" exposure in some way. You should go to youtube and search for that video.

e: I think we're talking of the right camera... this is the SLT one right?


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Oct 27, 2012 13:41 |  #8

mickeyb105 wrote in post #15175088 (external link)
Thanks to everyone for their input.

It seems the people who like the Sony Alpha line, really like it a lot. Those who don't like the Sony Alpha line, are adamant about it's shortcomings compared to Canon.

1- If you are considering Alpha 77, please only listen to owners of this camera not people who got their opinion based on what they have heard as then you are going no where.

2- This is a Canon promotion site. Don't expect to hear otherwise!

3- Check these two links in case you haven't seen before.

L I N K - 1 (external link)

L I N K - 2 (external link)


4- I love Canon by birth, but then there is no other DSLR with Translucent mirror on the face of earth and Consider Sony Alpha-XX (And absolutely no other Sony's line of DSLRs) as Canon:)

5) If you have any specific question, ask and I'll do my best to give you an honest answer.


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Oct 27, 2012 15:30 |  #9

samsen wrote in post #15175836 (external link)
1- If you are considering Alpha 77, please only listen to owners of this camera not people who got their opinion based on what they have heard as then you are going no where.

2- This is a Canon promotion site. Don't expect to hear otherwise!

3- Check these two links in case you haven't seen before.

L I N K - 1 (external link)

L I N K - 2 (external link)


4- I love Canon by birth, but then there is no other DSLR with Translucent mirror on the face of earth and Consider Sony Alpha-XX (And absolutely no other Sony's line of DSLRs) as Canon:)

5) If you have any specific question, ask and I'll do my best to give you an honest answer.

Samsen:

1) I do value that you seem to be the only one to respond who has logged substantial time with an Alpha series camera, and I thank you for your input as a Canon guy.

2) While I do know this is a pretty pro-Canon site, there are dozens of members here who have been very objective when weighing in on cameras from Nikon, Pentax and even Sony. That said, I really thought I would get more of those people to respond because I thought more people would have handled an A77 here.

3) I've read several reviews, previews and feedback on the A77 and pretty much have the specs, strengths and weaknesses memorized by now. Those two links seem pretty standard.

4) I think I understand what you are saying, in that Sony seems closer to Canon than it does Nikon (in spite of sharing sensors with them). The main reason I went with Canon instead of Nikon after selling my Nikon D40 was because of the handling/interface aspect of the camera. I didn't consider the A65 or A77 due to the fact the 60D was cheaper and that it met my needs.

5) Samson, I think what I am worried about if I do switch would be shooting at high ISO. I shoot a fair amount of sports under the lights and even indoors, where I've printed (newspaper, but still) as high as ISO 6400 in jpeg. While eventually I will shoot in RAW, it seems to do any high ISO shooting with the A77 I would have to RAW almost exclusively. Talley mentioned his cousin only being able to use up to 800 ISO with the A77, and I've heard 1600 as a the max number on reviews.

Talley also mentioned a need for a firmware update to help with this, and I heard the A77 just had one a few weeks ago. With the A99 coming out, will they really make the A77 better?

Another question I have is about shooting in live view. This is one of the only disappointments I have with the 60D so far, in that live view focus is so slow and cumbersome. With the Alphas it is basically real time, no?

There are things I would miss about the 60D and some sacrifices I would make, like battery life, shooting at high ISO, a "real" viewfinder, this board for advice, easy availability of Canon products, etc . . . there is so much that goes into making a system change like this, I'm just not entirely convinced it is worth it I guess?


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Oct 27, 2012 22:56 |  #10

Just to give a bit background about myself, let me tell that I am a fan of high tech stuff. That said, just like you said, I do have essential need for clear high ISO sensor that is related to at least 50 percent of what I shoot. For a long time my main bodies where 20D and 30D. I was one of those that got hand on 5Dii on the first day that it showed up in US market and had to wait for some six month to actually get it. Then to compensate for the need for speed, I got 1Dn and later 50D. Well 50D is very close to your 60D minus video rec.
To answer you, now that I know more as to what your needs are:

If you need clear ISO say 3200 or 6400, you will never be happy (Given current market) unless you have 5Dii or iii or Nikon 800. Simply no other camera can match that and I very much doubt if A77 gives you that either. In fact the only thing I don't like about my alpha 55 is the noise in high ISO. I have to do a lot of post processing to get rid of noise when shooting at or more that 1600. So a red flag for your A77, though I really do not know if 77 is any better than 55 (They both have Bionz CMOS sensor).

As for HD video recoding and AFing, Very few cameras come close to sony in that AF is still available, thanks to translucent mirror and ingenuity of sony as opposed to very many much more expensive other manufacturers bodies that need manual focus with video. But reality is how much of video do you think will be handled by your still camera? I still prefer to have my tiny JVC $200 HD camcorder that does miracles so why to bother with difficulties of Still camera, then post processing then very poor mic and audio quality that needs a separate external recording. Another important thing, with my Sony 55, after say 2minutes of video recording I get an error saying Sensor is warmed up and can't record any more for sometime, and next that recording function comes, back, this time I can record even shorter time... I don't have anything like this with my 5Dii that goes flawlessly but then needs focusing.

Why do I like Sony Alpha 55?
1- Price
2- Build in GPS. Really very handy as I travel a lot. Then its fun to organize your pictures by Geography.
3- Build in HDR. Very useful IMO.
4- Build in Panorama mode. Again very innovative an fun mode. Also the same set of images obtain in pano mode, can be used to watch 3D image, if you already have 3D glasses and TV set up.
5- Detachable angled LCD. Very useful for low angle shooting. Then if you like me, attach your camera to a large telescope, you will know how difficult it gets to go and take control of view finder when shooting an object right over head, at times impossible unless I use an external monitor(USB HDMI attachments). With Sony, its just a tiny flip of LCD an you have it all, focus, set up, preview, review, etc.
6- Small and light. I hardly know if I have anything extra in my bag when I have this little one.
7- Ability to use short 500mm F8 CAT lens (Mirror lens) that has AFing (You get very many same focal length mirror lens but all manual focusing). I don't know of any other such lens with AFing capability and specially in winter and with snowboarding or hiking in a tough train, when weight maters, this is very handy.
8- A 10 frame per second burst mode.
9- Price. And yes I would like to mention it for the second time.


Well. If you definitely need very high ISO function, seriously look for and consider 5Dii or iii specially that now price of both are dropping, but then you don't have burst mode. If you can wait for a short time, It would be very beneficial also to look into 6D.
Also don't forget, Canon has simply the best lens line second to NONE.
Yes Sony gives you the chance of using High end Zeiss lenses. Also You have ability to use high quality Minolta AF series Lenses. Indeed when I started with my sony, Minolta lenses were very cheap, not many knew they can have a new life due to Sony so I stocked on a good number of lenses for little money, but now that more people are aware of that, price of old Minolta lenses are up too. Then Minolta lenses are surely much much slower than Canon's ultra fast motor lenses.

I am sorry that I might have caused more confusion now than to simply help you. That is why first I said close your eyes and go for 77. As the more you investigated, the harder decision making is going to be.

Bottom line, A77 is a new generation body with a lot of features for a tech savvy person as opposed to 60D that is a very good body, but older generation and limited (But solid) function.
Another thing you want to remember is you simply wont find a site like POTN with this many high end support that much more useful as long as you are a Canon user. I don't know of any other Camera brand that has an equivalent site even Nikon. This means a lot to me.

And last piece of advice for your consideration: You don't have to have only one body. A body with the right lens attached for its situation x 2 works a lot better than one of everything, so why don't you consider adding instead of replacing? Unless budget is very thigh.


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Oct 28, 2012 10:05 |  #11

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Just to give a bit background about myself, let me tell that I am a fan of high tech stuff. That said, just like you said, I do have essential need for clear high ISO sensor that is related to at least 50 percent of what I shoot. For a long time my main bodies where 20D and 30D. I was one of those that got hand on 5Dii on the first day that it showed up in US market and had to wait for some six month to actually get it. Then to compensate for the need for speed, I got 1Dn and later 50D. Well 50D is very close to your 60D minus video rec.
To answer you, now that I know more as to what your needs are:

If you need clear ISO say 3200 or 6400, you will never be happy (Given current market) unless you have 5Dii or iii or Nikon 800. Simply no other camera can match that and I very much doubt if A77 gives you that either. In fact the only thing I don't like about my alpha 55 is the noise in high ISO. I have to do a lot of post processing to get rid of noise when shooting at or more that 1600. So a red flag for your A77, though I really do not know if 77 is any better than 55 (They both have Bionz CMOS sensor).

As for HD video recoding and AFing, Very few cameras come close to sony in that AF is still available, thanks to translucent mirror and ingenuity of sony as opposed to very many much more expensive other manufacturers bodies that need manual focus with video. But reality is how much of video do you think will be handled by your still camera? I still prefer to have my tiny JVC $200 HD camcorder that does miracles so why to bother with difficulties of Still camera, then post processing then very poor mic and audio quality that needs a separate external recording. Another important thing, with my Sony 55, after say 2minutes of video recording I get an error saying Sensor is warmed up and can't record any more for sometime, and next that recording function comes, back, this time I can record even shorter time... I don't have anything like this with my 5Dii that goes flawlessly but then needs focusing.

Why do I like Sony Alpha 55?
1- Price
2- Build in GPS. Really very handy as I travel a lot. Then its fun to organize your pictures by Geography.
3- Build in HDR. Very useful IMO.
4- Build in Panorama mode. Again very innovative an fun mode. Also the same set of images obtain in pano mode, can be used to watch 3D image, if you already have 3D glasses and TV set up.
5- Detachable angled LCD. Very useful for low angle shooting. Then if you like me, attach your camera to a large telescope, you will know how difficult it gets to go and take control of view finder when shooting an object right over head, at times impossible unless I use an external monitor(USB HDMI attachments). With Sony, its just a tiny flip of LCD an you have it all, focus, set up, preview, review, etc.
6- Small and light. I hardly know if I have anything extra in my bag when I have this little one.
7- Ability to use short 500mm F8 CAT lens (Mirror lens) that has AFing (You get very many same focal length mirror lens but all manual focusing). I don't know of any other such lens with AFing capability and specially in winter and with snowboarding or hiking in a tough train, when weight maters, this is very handy.
8- A 10 frame per second burst mode.
9- Price. And yes I would like to mention it for the second time.


Well. If you definitely need very high ISO function, seriously look for and consider 5Dii or iii specially that now price of both are dropping, but then you don't have burst mode. If you can wait for a short time, It would be very beneficial also to look into 6D.
Also don't forget, Canon has simply the best lens line second to NONE.
Yes Sony gives you the chance of using High end Zeiss lenses. Also You have ability to use high quality Minolta AF series Lenses. Indeed when I started with my sony, Minolta lenses were very cheap, not many knew they can have a new life due to Sony so I stocked on a good number of lenses for little money, but now that more people are aware of that, price of old Minolta lenses are up too. Then Minolta lenses are surely much much slower than Canon's ultra fast motor lenses.

I am sorry that I might have caused more confusion now than to simply help you. That is why first I said close your eyes and go for 77. As the more you investigated, the harder decision making is going to be.

Bottom line, A77 is a new generation body with a lot of features for a tech savvy person as opposed to 60D that is a very good body, but older generation and limited (But solid) function.
Another thing you want to remember is you simply wont find a site like POTN with this many high end support that much more useful as long as you are a Canon user. I don't know of any other Camera brand that has an equivalent site even Nikon. This means a lot to me.

And last piece of advice for your consideration: You don't have to have only one body. A body with the right lens attached for its situation x 2 works a lot better than one of everything, so why don't you consider adding instead of replacing? Unless budget is very thigh.

Samesn, thank you for your very candid and detailed response! Your conclusions mirror my own, I do believe. The A77 has some great features, and if I didn't shoot low-light sports I would probably be very well served to take the plunge. As it stands right now, the trade-offs I would make would probably be equal and end up costing me a few hundred $$. The image quality I've seen from A77 samples shooting RAW are gorgeous, even comparable to the best Canon files I've seen. But I really don't have any complaints with my 60D in the IQ department.

Would I like the A77 screen, af for movies, the better-sealed body, panorama capability and be able to shoot 12 fps? You bet! But once I get either a 70 (or 80)-200 2.8 L or 200 2.8 L for field sports my lens lineup will be pretty well set for what I do. Minolta/Sony glass seems good and everything, but I'm real happy with the Canon and Sigma glass I have.

And you are right about this forum, I can't tell you how much of a luxury this place is.


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