DigitalRev Reviews the EOS M

Hogloff wrote in post #15211441
I agree with you...but then why would anyone use the M for a landscape camera if it cannot compete?

Here's a 26pg thread just for the 7D re: landscape shots - link.

The EOS M has a newer sensor than the 7D. The only benefit the 7D has over the eos m (for landscape) is possibly the orientation sensor (very minor benefit considering you'd be using the lcd screen) and some weather sealing. There aren't any image quality benefits.

Sure, an FF sensor is better than a crop one for landscape. But why would you use a FF sensor when you know it can't compete against medium or large format? FF is trash! Who would use that rubbish for landscape! /sarcasm

If you cant rock a decent shot with an aps-c camera (any of them) you should pack up and go home.

RobDickinson wrote in post #15211564
If you cant rock a decent shot with an aps-c camera (any of them) you should pack up and go home.

agreed...

I can do alright with an iphone as long as I dont pixel peep

JimiJam wrote in post #15211495
Here's a 26pg thread just for the 7D re: landscape shots - link.

The EOS M has a newer sensor than the 7D. The only benefit the 7D has over the eos m (for landscape) is possibly the orientation sensor (very minor benefit considering you'd be using the lcd screen) and some weather sealing. There aren't any image quality benefits.

Sure, an FF sensor is better than a crop one for landscape. But why would you use a FF sensor when you know it can't compete against medium or large format? FF is trash! Who would use that rubbish for landscape! /sarcasm

I own and use both a 5d2, 7d, Fuji 6x9 and a Tachihara 4x5. I know the difference in quality between these systems and the 7d is never taken out for landscapes which I typically print at sizes 30x40 and larger...so please stop your superiority BS here because you most likely do not know what you are talking about.

RobDickinson wrote in post #15211564
If you cant rock a decent shot with an aps-c camera (any of them) you should pack up and go home.

I can take a decent shot with any camera...but I know I can get a much better landscape photo with my 5d2 than I can with my 7d. There is no disputing this.

If I was going to take serious landscape photos, which I do, I would not be going out with a crop camera when a much better full frame solution is just as affordable. There is nothing benefitting crop sensors when it comes to landscape photography.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211441
I agree with you...but then why would anyone use the M for a landscape camera if it cannot compete?

Because not everyone is a landscape snob, or wants to lug around lots of heavy gear, or cares about huge high resolutions prints they can examine at micro levels of detail in an art gallery while holding cups of expensive tea.

Some people enjoy the experience as well as the end result, and the EOS-M, being a 650D with out the body, is a VERY capable camera for landscapes.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211609
I can take a decent shot with any camera...but I know I can get a much better landscape photo with my 5d2 than I can with my 7d. There is no disputing this.

I dispute it. Yes the 5d2 is better, but I could post a bunch of pics here from both and no one would be able to tell which was which.

The 5d2 may print a fraction larger, may have slightly better colour separation, and I will admit the gap grows as you push the ISO, but there isnt a night and day difference, its marginal especially at base ISO.

And if I need a larger print I can often stitch anyhow.....

RobDickinson wrote in post #15211643
I dispute it. Yes the 5d2 is better, but I could post a bunch of pics here from both and no one would be able to tell which was which.

The 5d2 may print a fraction larger, may have slightly better colour separation, and I will admit the gap grows as you push the ISO, but there isnt a night and day difference, its marginal especially at base ISO.

And if I need a larger print I can often stitch anyhow.....

I can post images from a P&S and a 5d2 at web size and you would not be able to tell the difference. What this tells me is that if you shoot to post on Facebook, then any P&S will do and you would be wasting your money on anything else.

Now if you shoot landscapes to print large, there is a night and day difference between a crop image and a 5d2. I have done these tests for myself and I'll never shoot a landscape image ( maybe in a backup role only ) when I have a 5d2 with me. The noise at low ISO, the amount of sharpening required, the lack of nice tonal transitions and I could go on all make the crop sensor much less ideal for large landscape photos. There is no argument on these issues.

If you don't print large, I'd say the 7d is overkill for landscape and a small P&S will do.

Moppie wrote in post #15211638
Because not everyone is a landscape snob, or wants to lug around lots of heavy gear, or cares about huge high resolutions prints they can examine at micro levels of detail in an art gallery while holding cups of expensive tea.

Some people enjoy the experience as well as the end result, and the EOS-M, being a 650D with out the body, is a VERY capable camera for landscapes.

Everybody has their standards. Mine must be different than yours. As far as snobs go...what a bunch of crap. When I travel for thousands of mies, climb up a mountain for 6 hours, camp out waiting for the sunrise just to capture an image in the sweet light...you damn well I will bring along top notch equipment. There is nothing snobbish about it. In fact, I find your comment totally offensive and immature.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211596
so please stop your superiority BS here because you most likely do not know what you are talking about.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211841
In fact, I find your comment totally offensive and immature.

Please note the forums rules, specifically:

Given you have have such nice equipment, print large, climb mountains/etc/etc, it's quite understandable you personally wouldn't want to use an aps-c sensor (except perhaps as a backup - as you already stated) - in fact, who would want to given those circumstances. Even so, wouldn't you prefer the eos-m to the 7d as your backup (assuming you even take the 7d with you)? With the size/weight change you could bring some other/spare equipment instead.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211831
If you don't print large, I'd say the 7d is overkill for landscape and a small P&S will do.

I think you are in the minority of shooters (regarding print size, equipment needs, location shoots, etc), and thus from your statement then it sounds like the eos m is overkill (for landscape) for most people.

The eos m is a competitor to other aps-c cameras for landscape. Whether aps-c is a 'competitor' to FF for landscape is a different argument.

Hogloff wrote in post #15211831
Now if you shoot landscapes to print large

I am sat next to a 1.5m wide 7d landscape print. I print large, and tend to think I know what I am doing. I wont argue the 5d2 doesnt have an advantage, but its not that much at base ISO.

JimiJam wrote in post #15212216
Please note the forums rules, specifically:

Given you have have such nice equipment, print large, climb mountains/etc/etc, it's quite understandable you personally wouldn't want to use an aps-c sensor (except perhaps as a backup - as you already stated) - in fact, who would want to given those circumstances. Even so, wouldn't you prefer the eos-m to the 7d as your backup (assuming you even take the 7d with you)? With the size/weight change you could bring some other/spare equipment instead.

I think you are in the minority of shooters (regarding print size, equipment needs, location shoots, etc), and thus from your statement then it sounds like the eos m is overkill (for landscape) for most people.

The eos m is a competitor to other aps-c cameras for landscape. Whether aps-c is a 'competitor' to FF for landscape is a different argument.

The EOS - M is a "lame" attempt by Canon to protect the SLR market and their lens juggernaut.

I am buying 2013 puts on Canon as I write this...

Its not rocket science canon:

Sensor
Lense
Focus System
Value

You are losing 3 or 4 and at best tied with the other one.

The rest is window dressing.

camera dude wrote in post #15212239
The EOS - M is a "lame" attempt by Canon to protect the SLR market and their lens juggernaut.

Yep, it sure is. The other ILCs are generally better and the eos-m is not good enough to replace even a rebel-class canon (for general/'everything' shooting).

But for _landscape_, what image-quality benefits are the other (aps-c) cameras providing over the eos m?

camera dude wrote in post #15212239
I am buying 2013 puts on Canon as I write this...

Good luck! You never know, the financial market may look upon canon favourably by releasing the (lame) eos-m -- it protects their lens lineup and doesn't compete with their lower-level slrs, probably gives them increased access to the beginner's market and is out in time for christmas!

RobDickinson wrote in post #15212236
I am sat next to a 1.5m wide 7d landscape print. I print large, and tend to think I know what I am doing. I wont argue the 5d2 doesnt have an advantage, but its not that much at base ISO.

Like I said before, we all have our standards. I've seen people say the same thing with a 20d...4' print that is just fabulous. To each their own. Having both cameras ( 7d and 5d2 ) I've done my own tests and the 7d sits in my bag as a backup. Yes, there is that much of a difference in the prints.

Have you done this comparison test yourself?

Hogloff wrote in post #15212315
Have you done this comparison test yourself?

I assume you can read my sig?

Edit :- I am still trying to find one single photograph you have posted on this forum.

All you seem to do is buy and sell and smack talk about gear.