First pictures!

Hogloff wrote in post #15179675
What does getting drunk, taking your camera and pressing the shutter have anything to do with art? Basically I can give the camera to a monkey and I am sure it would take some photos...but it sure as he'll won't be art.

Coming onto a forum, proclaiming you were drunk while taking the photos and then not making the effort to spend a bit of time processing those photos...and you want honest guidance? Well the only guidance I can provide is to take yourself seriously if you want others to do as well.

And I don't understand why the OP even mentioned he (she ) was drunk... What does thst have to do with photography?

This whole thread belongs on Facebook. "Look what I did when I was loaded last night"

Proclaiming I was drunk? I merely said I was drunk from a party, nothing wrong with adding a bit of info is there? Just makes for conversation. Clearly you aren't very good at it. I'm still confused as to why you're still replying, you obviously have no useful input, nor are you going too. And clearly have no interest, so stop replying. Especially if you don't think the thread belongs, you;re only adding fuel to the fire.

Brelly wrote in post #15179735
Proclaiming I was drunk? I merely said I was drunk from a party, nothing wrong with adding a bit of info is there? Just makes for conversation. Clearly you aren't very good at it. I'm still confused as to why you're still replying, you obviously have no useful input, nor are you going too. And clearly have no interest, so stop replying. Especially if you don't think the thread belongs, you;re only adding fuel to the fire.

I just don't want this forum to turn into "hey look at this picture I took of a wall while I was loaded" type of place. That does not belong here. Your post is treading on that type of post. If you want real feedback, we've given you some and you seem to fight it. Photography for many is a passion and is taken seriously.

If you want to mprove in your skills, take some photos with a vision in mind, post the photos with all pertinent info and you'll get honest feedback on the good, the bad and how to do things better or differently.

Post some photos proclaiming you were drunk, do no effort to post process the photos and you'll get zero constructive feedback. It's up to you which path you follow. That's my advice to you if you truly want to improve.

Hogloff wrote in post #15179749
I just don't want this forum to turn into "hey look at this picture I took of a wall while I was loaded" type of place. That does not belong here. Your post is treading on that type of post. If you want real feedback, we've given you some and you seem to fight it. Photography for many is a passion and is taken seriously.

If you want to mprove in your skills, take some photos with a vision in mind, post the photos with all pertinent info and you'll get honest feedback on the good, the bad and how to do things better or differently.

Post some photos proclaiming you were drunk, do no effort to post process the photos and you'll get zero constructive feedback. It's up to you which path you follow. That's my advice to you if you truly want to improve.

I can't even be bothered to give you a proper reply now.

Brelly wrote in post #15179755
I can't even be bothered to give you a proper reply now.

It's nothing to do with a witty reply. It's advice I am giving you. Just take it or leave it, nothing more. I know from a lot of experience how to become proficient in photography. If you want to improve, you will need to change your tact.

I think you are confusing "art" with "screwing around". They aren't the same. Artists take their craft seriously. Show me one that doesn't. I'm not saying you have to be serious all the time. But if you want others to take you seriously and help you, then you have to take yourself seriously. You asked for advice. That's the advice. And I'll give you one more. Don't ask for advice and then spend your time arguing with those who respond. If you don't want advice that you don't want to hear, then don't ask for it.

kfreels wrote in post #15179846
I think you are confusing "art" with "screwing around". They aren't the same. Artists take their craft seriously. Show me one that doesn't. I'm not saying you have to be serious all the time. But if you want others to take you seriously and help you, then you have to take yourself seriously. You asked for advice. That's the advice. And I'll give you one more. Don't ask for advice and then spend your time arguing with those who respond. If you don't want advice that you don't want to hear, then don't ask for it.

I asked for advice on how to take a better shot, and how to edit it best. not on how to act, better do some reading before you start blurting stuff.

Hogloff wrote in post #15179749
I just don't want this forum to turn into "hey look at this picture I took of a wall while I was loaded" type of place. That does not belong here. Your post is treading on that type of post. If you want real feedback, we've given you some and you seem to fight it. Photography for many is a passion and is taken seriously.

If you want to mprove in your skills, take some photos with a vision in mind, post the photos with all pertinent info and you'll get honest feedback on the good, the bad and how to do things better or differently.

Post some photos proclaiming you were drunk, do no effort to post process the photos and you'll get zero constructive feedback. It's up to you which path you follow. That's my advice to you if you truly want to improve.

1. not every newbie post-processes their photos from the get-go... I sure as hell didn't, and it's not a requirement of being a good photographer to begin with. If anything, people do it too much. It's also not a requirement to get comments on photos, which are also about composition, and I think that's what the comments here have been about. (and also, you started somewhere too, and unless you were practically born with a camera in your hands, chances are you sucked when you started).

2. Of the two pics that were posted, one was good and one sucked. That's 50% keeper rate. Pretty good imo.

3. About monkeys and everything... (also linked with my first point): artists throughout the ages have invented and come up with new processes, and they sure as hell haven't done so by following the pent-up rules of people who were saying there's only one good way of doing things. Sometimes it's an accident, sometimes it's on purpose.

One good example, imo, is Pollock. The bloke painted with his bloody FEET (did he use both or just one? can't remember). Yet, he made his mark in the artistic world, and no one came at him and said "Jeez mate, it's disrespectful to paint stuff holding your brush with your toes while others are using their hands, as is the natural order of things. Oh, and by the way, don't bother asking me for comments unless your stuff is already portfolio-grade."

Now, I'm not comparing the OP (sorry about the gender mix-up, these things are so difficult to figure out in English!) to Pollock, but the paradigm here is, imo, quite similar.

Ultimately, photography records how we see the world and, if I draw on what other people on this forum have said, there are already limitations on how and where it should be alright to portray people and 'record human history'... well, being drunk is part of it, and if there is an artistic way to explore that, I'm all for it and I don't see why it couldn't be done if it's done responsibly.

Apricane wrote in post #15179924
One good example, imo, is Pollock. The bloke painted with his bloody FEET (did he use both or just one? can't remember). Yet, he made his mark in the artistic world, and no one came at him and said "Jeez mate, it's disrespectful to paint stuff holding your brush with your toes while others are using their hands, as is the natural order of things. Oh, and by the way, don't bother asking me for comments unless your stuff is already portfolio-grade."

Now, I'm not comparing the OP (sorry about the gender mix-up, these things are so difficult to figure out in English!) to Pollock, but the paradigm here is, imo, quite similar.

Ultimately, photography records how we see the world and, if I draw on what other people on this forum have said, there are already limitations on how and where it should be alright to portray people and 'record human history'... well, being drunk is part of it, and if there is an artistic way to explore that, I'm all for it and I don't see why it couldn't be done if it's done responsibly.

Pollock put thought into it, selected a medium and materials, colors and such based on vision and did the process deliberately. And he didn't ask for feedback. In fact, I'm one among many who simply don't care for his work. If it were free, I wouldn't hang it on my wall. Somehow I doubt I'm in the minority here. Sometimes someone can be a fad with no reasonable explanation.

More to the point, OP asks for opinions on how to improve. The recommendation from a couple people is to shoot sober. A simple thanks, for the response would be in order but instead the OP didn't like that answer. So why ask?

Brelly wrote in post #15178600
Hopefully there should be some photos up now, lets see!

Like I said, they're not great and need editing, so feel free! And the IQ has been reduced drastically because of the upload to flikr.

Drunk or not, serious enough or not really doesn't matter to me. I shoot for fun, I get a little too serious about it at times and then remember why I started, to have fun.

Some simple advice is to look for interesting subject matter to take pictures of. Boring subject matter makes for boring photos.

Your first photo could use some improvement. For example using a tripod, that would allow for a slower shutter speed. The image would be more interesting if it had some light trails from passing cars going around the turn.

Your second photo of some random containers just doesn't have anything of interest to draw attention. My eyes just wandered around looking for a focus point that isn't there.

Wow. Just stumbled into this thread. Unbelievable.
I would only offer this advice:

Don't feed the trolls.

Just sayin'.

My advice: Next time buy the good stuff.

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