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Dec 30, 2005 16:32 |  #1

I have a 19 year old daughter who is very beautiful, with a model's build (5' 8" and 105 lb. soaking wet). Though we've discussed modeling before, it's just not something she's wanted to do for a living. However, we've discussed a few times before doing some impromptu modeling, at least so I can get some practice in that aspect of photography.

I was reading threads in an automotive-related forum that I frequent and someone had started a thread for pictures with girls posing with the particular make of vehicle that the forum is based upon. A few folks posted their girlfriends and wives with their vehicles (some were what one would generally term "not work safe").

I had told my daughter about that particular thread and she thought it would be fun, from a modeling perspective, to pose with my vehicle to post in the thread. We're talking something decent, no implied nudity, wet t-shirts, gobs of cleavage or anything.

I posted the following picture in the thread and people were freaking out when I indicated that the model was my daughter. The consensus was split about 50/50 on how really wierd or even downright wrong the whole thing was. Realize that this is not a photography-related crowd.

Give me your thoughts on this. My initial answer to some of their replies was that all of the girls posted in the thread so far are "someone's" daughters. At least I know who photographed my daughter and what she was wearing when I did.

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Dec 30, 2005 22:20 |  #2
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I have a 19 year old daughter who is very beautiful, with a model's build (5' 8" and 105 lb. soaking wet). Though we've discussed modeling before, it's just not something she's wanted to do for a living. However, we've discussed a few times before doing some impromptu modeling, at least so I can get some practice in that aspect of photography.

I was reading threads in an automotive-related forum that I frequent and someone had started a thread for pictures with girls posing with the particular make of vehicle that the forum is based upon. A few folks posted their girlfriends and wives with their vehicles (some were what one would generally term "not work safe").

I had told my daughter about that particular thread and she thought it would be fun, from a modeling perspective, to pose with my vehicle to post in the thread. We're talking something decent, no implied nudity, wet t-shirts, gobs of cleavage or anything.

I posted the following picture in the thread and people were freaking out when I indicated that the model was my daughter. The consensus was split about 50/50 on how really wierd or even downright wrong the whole thing was. Realize that this is not a photography-related crowd.

Give me your thoughts on this. My initial answer to some of their replies was that all of the girls posted in the thread so far are "someone's" daughters. At least I know who photographed my daughter and what she was wearing when I did.

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I can't understand why someone would have a problem with that. Your reasoning is about as sound as it gets...

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Dec 30, 2005 22:32 |  #3

For the life of me I can't see why anyone would object to that photo.




  
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Dec 30, 2005 23:00 |  #4
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I agree. It's about as tame as it can be.



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Dec 30, 2005 23:30 |  #5

My daughters make me photograph them and their friends all the time. I can't see why anyone would freak out over you taking such a tame photo of your daughter and posting it in a car forum thread.


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Dec 31, 2005 00:07 |  #6

I can't see what the problem would be? were they perhaps assuming that you were going to photograph her in a more 'adult' style? there's nothing wrong or suggestive with the photo you posted. I've seen other photos taken of teenage girls that have raised my eyebrows, and left me wondering why a parent would want to depict their child in such a way. But that doesn't apply to your photo. I would probably just leave them to their unjustified speculations Sari.


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Dec 31, 2005 07:36 |  #7

You're coming from a photographic perspective, they will have been coming from a "chicks with cars” something to ogle rather then share a photo.

Two worlds collide kind of thing really and never the twain shall meet

Not a thing wrong with that photo


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Dec 31, 2005 07:42 as a reply to  @ Sean-Mcr's post |  #8

As with most things, the problem is in their minds, not yours. Great picture of an attractive person standing by a car, a pleasing image, no more no less.

I would hate to have to live with some people minds.

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Dec 31, 2005 08:43 |  #9

Thanks, all. That's more or less what I was thinking. I had indicated that I might post another picture, less tame, but not too racy. I think that is what was probably weirding out folks.

Maybe I'll post the results in our own Glamour forum, instead. :D


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Dec 31, 2005 08:44 as a reply to  @ Sean-Mcr's post |  #10

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You're coming from a photographic perspective, they will have been coming from a "chicks with cars” something to ogle rather then share a photo.

I think you hit the nail on the head.


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Dec 31, 2005 09:23 as a reply to  @ MTalley's post |  #11

MTalley wrote:
Thanks, all. That's more or less what I was thinking. I had indicated that I might post another picture, less tame, but not too racy. I think that is what was probably weirding out folks.

Maybe I'll post the results in our own Glamour forum, instead. :D


Well that's what will have divided opinion and not the above photo

It's obvious really that the thread on the other forum has little to do with photography and is more about chicks with cars, we all know the deal, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Maybe given the nature of the thread, it was not the best place to post a shot of your daughter and then suggest showing something more "chick with car" like

Much more suited to this kind of forum, where people will get (but not all) where you're coming from


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Dec 31, 2005 09:32 |  #12

Look like my kind of car ...

Seems perfectly fine intentions to me ... of course we don't know what happened in the next frame ... hopefully she didn't flash :lol: :lol: That might undermine your case.


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Dec 31, 2005 11:07 as a reply to  @ queenbee288's post |  #13

queenbee288 wrote:
For the life of me I can't see why anyone would object to that photo.

Agreed. It's tame, not suggestive in any possible fashion, and shows here in a positive, wholesome light.

The only thing I would find the least bit troubling is that she's standing on ice.


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Dec 31, 2005 11:08 as a reply to  @ Sean-Mcr's post |  #14

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You're coming from a photographic perspective, they will have been coming from a "chicks with cars” something to ogle rather then share a photo.

If they were really car nuts, they'd be screaming because she's actually touching the paint - it might scratch! :D


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Dec 31, 2005 12:02 as a reply to  @ condyk's post |  #15

condyk wrote:
Look like my kind of car ...

Seems perfectly fine intentions to me ... of course we don't know what happened in the next frame ... hopefully she didn't flash :lol: :lol: That might undermine your case.

LOL... how many teenage girls do you know that go around flashing their fathers?? LOL...


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