Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Critique Corner 
Thread started 01 Nov 2012 (Thursday) 23:21
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Lighting question on 2 pics

 
Jedi5150
Senior Member
363 posts
Likes: 16
Joined Oct 2012
Location: Central CA
     
Nov 01, 2012 23:21 |  #1

Hello all, this is my first post in the CC section. My question is specifically about the lighting in these two photos. I know it isn't good, and I'm asking for suggestions. As a side note, the photos themselves are not pictures I'm proud of, or that showed any sort of skill, they are simply for recording fun times. But still, any advice on how I could have made these better would be appreciated. So feel free to make any critiques you like, it's all fair game :lol:.

Here's my reason for putting these pictures up for question. I'm trying to figure out if a built in flash is necessary or not for the pictures I like to take. I definitely want to avoid bringing an external flash everywhere I go. In fact, I try never to use a flash at all, but I may have paid for that mistake in these pictures.

Here's the pics, and then I'll go into a bit more detail:

Rebel T3 w/ kit lens
100 ISO
1.3 second exp time
21mm
f/22

IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/PNW-October-2012/i-BVJNkqJ/0/XL/IMG_0225s-XL.jpg


100 ISO
.03 exp time
21mm
f/22
IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/1000-Island-Lake-July2012/i-TBdCfKj/1/XL/IMG_0012s-XL.jpg

I know that a wide brimmed hat and a motorcycle helmet probably don't lend themselves well to lower light shooting of faces. This is probably part of the reason I ended up with a black line down my face in both shots. The idea of using a flash (even a built in one) for outdoor, daytime photos never really occurred to me. I figured it would ruin other aspects of the picture, but maybe I'm way off base in that assumption.

So would a flash have made these shots better? Worse? or should I have adjusted something else instead, such as exposure time or ISO? On photos like the second one in the Sierras, I have a hard time making the background and sky not be overexposed, while keeping the darker foreground light enough to see.

Thanks in advance for any tips.



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Bob_A
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
8,738 posts
Gallery: 48 photos
Likes: 199
Joined Jan 2005
Location: Alberta, Canada
     
Nov 02, 2012 00:04 |  #2

Wow, considering the exceptionally slow shutter-speed the people are pretty sharp. They must have been extremely still for you :) Even the foliage seems sharp, which is pretty lucky for 1.3s exposure time.

Using your pop-up flash would have made these images a lot better. Use just enough power to give a bit of fill but not create overly harsh shadows. Pop-up flashes work pretty well for fill unless you're using a longer lens that could be in the path of the light from the flash and cast a shadow. For example I have to take my lens hood off my 24-70 f/2.8 if I use the pop-up flash on my D700.

Also, for both images I would have used something closer to f/11 and ISO 200 which would yield a higher shutter-speed.

Great scenery by the way :)


Bob
SmugMug (external link) | My Gear Ratings | My POTN Gallery

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rrblint
Listen! .... do you smell something?
Avatar
23,088 posts
Gallery: 84 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 2889
Joined May 2012
Location: U.S.A.
     
Nov 02, 2012 00:24 as a reply to  @ Bob_A's post |  #3

You've got a great eye for composition...These are well-seen photos.

Yes, your built-in flash would have helped in these photos. You nailed the problem: Keeping the sky and lighter areas from being overexposed while keeping faces and darker foreground areas light enough to see detail...This is EXACTLY what fill flash is all about...You can set exposure for the brighter parts and then fill in the shadowed faces with the flash...I hope that you will reconsider your decision not to carry an external flash as in general an external flash will do a better job than the on-board unit will.

These are remarkably sharp for such long shutter durations...I can't help but think that a little luck was involved here, so next time I would shoot for wider apertures(f22 is just unnecessary here f11 would have been fine) and higher ISOs(400 will yield excellent results) in order to get the shutter speeds up higher.


Mark

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jedi5150
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
363 posts
Likes: 16
Joined Oct 2012
Location: Central CA
     
Nov 02, 2012 00:41 |  #4

Thank you for the compliments Bob and Mark! Bob, these are actually both self portraits (taken on solo trips), so I knew I'd have to hold very still for the 1.3 second exposure.:lol: Thanks for the suggestions on the f stop. I'm still learning my way around the camera, even thought I've been using it for a couple years. I'm just now starting to play around with manual modes instead of the automatic ones. That is the reason for the f stop at 22 in both shots. I didn't consciously set it there, I simply chose ISO of 100 and played up and down with the shutter speed in manual mode. Until now I've shot all my pictures at 100 ISO. I think I'm going to start playing around with adjusting ISO and f stops, in addition to the shutter speed that I've already been doing manually.

Mark, I'm honored by your compliment about composition. To be honest, these two shots are nowhere near my favorites I've taken in that regard. I'll put a few pictures below that I like much better:

IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/Utah-July-2011/i-C6f3qP9/0/XL/IMG_0215n-XL.jpg

IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/Utah-July-2011/i-LmJmVm4/0/XL/IMG_0208-XL.jpg

IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/Reno-Fortuna-2011-Ride/i-CGhsZ3v/0/XL/IMG_0301r-XL.jpg

IMAGE: http://maligator.smugmug.com/Other/Eastern-Sierras-May-2010/i-fh6xckd/0/XL/IMG_1020-XL.jpg



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rrblint
Listen! .... do you smell something?
Avatar
23,088 posts
Gallery: 84 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 2889
Joined May 2012
Location: U.S.A.
     
Nov 02, 2012 00:51 as a reply to  @ Jedi5150's post |  #5

Again, very nice compositions and exposure looks quite good as well...Love your bike too!;)


Mark

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jedi5150
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
363 posts
Likes: 16
Joined Oct 2012
Location: Central CA
     
Nov 02, 2012 01:01 |  #6

rrblint wrote in post #15197435 (external link)
Again, very nice compositions and exposure looks quite good as well...Love your bike too!;)

Thank you! The bikes all look similar, being BMW's with Boxer engines, but only two of them are mine. The first photo I put up is my current bike, an R1200GS. My old bike is in the highway and sand dune picture, an R1200R. The shot with the two bikes together are my two riding buddies, on their R1200GS and R1150GS (left to right).




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
eypuff
Member
Avatar
156 posts
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
     
Nov 02, 2012 04:11 |  #7

an answer to your question. yes. a popup flash will greatly improve your photos. i'd rather have a photo that looks artificially lit than have a photo where i can't even see myself. your photo composition is quite excellent as others have already shared.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,206 views & 0 likes for this thread, 4 members have posted to it.
Lighting question on 2 pics
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Critique Corner 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Niagara Wedding Photographer
1474 guests, 144 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.