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Nov 08, 2012 18:58 |  #1

I was recently selected by a friend to photograph his beautiful ABKC/ADBA/UKC American Bully puppies. There are 9 of them. I was wondering.... how much would be good to charge for the whole litter? I was thinking $50/dog, but that would add up to $450 and seems a bit steep. Then I was thinking $200 for all of them but does that sound right? Ugh, this pricing thing is stressful! I am just starting to charge people for photographic services and have no clue how to price an entire litter of puppies haha


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My Rottie had 9 pups and they were all very Cute. I took pictures of them as they were growing up before we sold them.

Based on my admittedly limited experience, I don't think you are going to get many people interested in the whole litter even though the price of $450 for the whole 9 pups is very cheap. I got $100 ea for mine.

Perhaps a pet shop might be interested in taking the whole litter at once?

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Nov 08, 2012 21:10 |  #3

I"m assuming you will be shooting them at 7 weeks, just before they start leaving for their homes? If you are doing it for the experience, $200 would be ok. You get the experience and something for your trouble, and the owner has a "dog in the fight" so to speak. However, from a business standpoint, that isn't enough. Will he be turning around and re-selling them to the new owners or will you have access to them to market the pics as "birth announcements"? I'd want at least $450 and he can do with them as he pleases, advertising, selling to prospective parents etc. Do each separately, and TRY a group shot. I've done this sort of thing with my bearded collie breeder and have a lot of experience with dog photography. It is VERY difficult and dog photography is an art on to itself. there are tricks to getting dogs to look at you and get the ears up etc. and different breeds require different skills. (Some Dalmatians are genetically deaf and respond to sight instead of sound. Jack Russells are adorable to look at and easy to get the ears up, but are so nervous it will drive you nuts. and so on.) Go with $50 per dog, giving full digital rights to him, and call it "professional development". He will be getting a great deal, whether he realizes it YET or not. This is not an easy shoot, but it will be fun!


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Nov 08, 2012 23:28 |  #4

Perhaps I am reading the question wrong. Are you just asking what to charge for a pet portrait of 9 dogs? or are we talking about a commercial portrait for advertising of a business?

I don't want to imagine photographing 9 dogs, sounds very hectic! :D I would only do it outside or one at a time in the studio and composite them together. You could do some very cute anne geddes type stuff in the studio. :)


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I"m assuming you will be shooting them at 7 weeks, just before they start leaving for their homes? If you are doing it for the experience, $200 would be ok. You get the experience and something for your trouble, and the owner has a "dog in the fight" so to speak. However, from a business standpoint, that isn't enough. Will he be turning around and re-selling them to the new owners or will you have access to them to market the pics as "birth announcements"? I'd want at least $450 and he can do with them as he pleases, advertising, selling to prospective parents etc. Do each separately, and TRY a group shot. I've done this sort of thing with my bearded collie breeder and have a lot of experience with dog photography. It is VERY difficult and dog photography is an art on to itself. there are tricks to getting dogs to look at you and get the ears up etc. and different breeds require different skills. (Some Dalmatians are genetically deaf and respond to sight instead of sound. Jack Russells are adorable to look at and easy to get the ears up, but are so nervous it will drive you nuts. and so on.) Go with $50 per dog, giving full digital rights to him, and call it "professional development". He will be getting a great deal, whether he realizes it YET or not. This is not an easy shoot, but it will be fun!

I am doing the photos at 6 weeks so we can do them outside. The puppies sell for between $1000-$2500 apiece so I know $450 for all their photos really isn't all that much comparatively, I just hate asking for money haha... BUT charging = nature of the beast so to speak, and if I really wanna get my feet wet in this business I guess I'm gonna have to start charging sooner or later, right?!

Also, I own the same breed of dog I will be photographing and have had dogs all my life, I'm pretty well versed in ways to get their attention... plus, at 6 weeks, treats are always an option!!!! :)


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Perhaps I am reading the question wrong. Are you just asking what to charge for a pet portrait of 9 dogs? or are we talking about a commercial portrait for advertising of a business?

I don't want to imagine photographing 9 dogs, sounds very hectic! :D I would only do it outside or one at a time in the studio and composite them together. You could do some very cute anne geddes type stuff in the studio. :)

Individual and hopefully group shots of all the males, all the females, and all together (in a perfect world, right!!)


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Nov 11, 2012 20:15 |  #7

$450 total is fair considering they'll make $10-25k off them.


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Cgb628 wrote in post #15234705 (external link)
$450 total is fair considering they'll make $10-25k off them.

Right?!??! That's what I'm thinking... I just need to get over my issues with asking for money lol... can't feed my kids by working for free!


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Nov 12, 2012 09:56 |  #9

JuliaPauline08 wrote in post #15235350 (external link)
Right?!??!
can't feed my kids by working for free!

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Nov 13, 2012 18:56 |  #10

This is based on my current rate structure, but I would ask a $350.00 sitting fee, with all images extra.


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Nov 13, 2012 19:46 as a reply to  @ Adam Jones's post |  #11

I did a shoot of ten dogs and charged $200, this was discounted because it was a friend. I would say it depends on time. If you plan to spend several hours taking unique shots of each one...$450 is reasonable, but if you are going to quickly take a headshot of each then $200 would be more acceptable.




  
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Nov 14, 2012 10:31 |  #12

The breeder doesn't have a problem asking for $1k-$2.5k each for her dogs, why do you have a problem asking for 1/3 of one puppy in cost? Is your time not valuable?


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Nov 15, 2012 16:32 |  #13

Cgb628 wrote in post #15234705 (external link)
$450 total is fair considering they'll make $10-25k off them.

That's actually not accurate, not when you're talking about well-bred dogs. While it's true that well-bred pups go for anywhere between $1,000-$3,000 depending on the breed and prospects for show/working, have you any idea how much time, sweat, blood and tears - and money - good breeders put into their dogs?

Even if you have only 1 b*tch, you're out at least $1,000-$3,000 to start.

Food, supplies and training those first 2 years you're raising the dog before you can get adult assessments on health. Taking time off work and spending money to enter shows and working competitions ain't cheap.

Getting your dog screened for congenital disease ain't cheap, especially depending upon the breed. Some breeds are fairly healthy and only require scans for hips, elbows, and eyes. Some require hearing, heart, thyroid, and particular diseases such as Wobbler's, Legg-Calve-Perthes, von Willebrand's, etc. etc. These are not $25 health checks, we're talking hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

Stud fee and possibly paying for the stud's kennel fees.

Extra veterinary care and food while your b*tch is pregnant.

Having an additional $3,000 sitting around in case something goes wrong during whelping - emergency C-sections are generally $1,800-$2,500+, depending on your area.

Veterinary care post-partum and the litter has to been seen too.

A lot of breeders take time off work the first few weeks the pups are born - or they pay someone to watch them.

Extra vet visits, food, supplies and utilities (heat and washing tons of blankets and floors!) while the pups are growing.

Assuming that everything has gone right A-Z (and keep in mind sometimes a pup is the stud fee and most breeders will keep at least 1, if not 2 pups to show/work/add to their breeding program), most breeder estimates (again depending on breed and location) per litter are anywhere between $1,500 - $4,000. Anything goes wrong - well, the sky's the limit. A lot of breeders break even; in fact I can count on both hands the number of breeders I personally know who make any kind of profit that's considered worthwhile.

I love dogs - and I feel it necessary to correct misinformation if I can. I don't mean to offend, this is simply an important subject to me.


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Nov 15, 2012 16:36 |  #14

Lol. I was really confused at first.

thought they wanted $50 for each puppy - not for the photography. And then I got really confused cause who the hell buys a whole litter at once.


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Nov 15, 2012 16:43 |  #15

And not to completely go off-topic, but here is a Note (external link) I co-authored. A good read if you're remotely interested in how breeders and rescue are intertwined.


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