6D Dynamic range??

Obviously we won't know for sure until the damn thing ever gets released but what is the likely hood that the dynamic range will be improved with the "new" sensor? I generally pretty much just shoot landscapes and I have to say that the dynamic range on the Nikons (D600) has me VERY tempted to just go and buy the thing right now. Do I even bother waiting for the 6D tests or get the D600 now because there is no chance in hell that it will be as good as the D600's?? Plus the $100 rebate right now on the D600 is making it that much more tempting... I've sold all my EFS lens' and only have one Canon lens (17-40L) left which wouldn't be to hard to sell if I did decide to change camps which most likely I think I'm going to do... I really want to like to 6D but it's looking like a tough sell to me right now.

It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

seoul4korea wrote in post #15263898
It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

I've only made up my mind when the camera is in my hand. I did have a question and it was, whats the likely hood the dynamic range will be improved with the new sensor...

There's supposed to be a improvement in dynamic range for this new sensor. The question then becomes how much improvement?

I think I read in an article somewhere that the 6D sensor is the result of some new hybrid process but not an entirely 180nm process. If true, results could be better than the 5DIII but DR probably won't equal the D600.

I don't think we get to see Canon's new process in it's entirety until the next batch of APS-C cameras are released. If those sensors are entirely 180nm, we've got ourselves a ballgame.

Je5ter wrote in post #15263905
I've only made up my mind when the camera is in my hand. I did have a question and it was, whats the likely hood the dynamic range will be improved with the new sensor...

What the likelihood anyone here can answer that question? (Zero). It will all be speculation, at best, or extrapolation from the last several Canon releases., piecing together various things from CanonRumors and the like.

If you are tempted by the current deals on the D600, then you'll just have to make your decision with incomplete information.

Personally, I think it is unlikely Canon will introduce a truly game-changing (for them) FF sensor on their budget FF camera.

How important to you and the photos you shoot is an extra stop of DR?

Stone 13 wrote in post #15263979
I think I read in an article somewhere that the 6D sensor is the result of some new hybrid process but not an entirely 180nm process. If true, results could be better than the 5DIII but DR probably won't equal the D600.

I don't think we get to see Canon's new process in it's entirety until the next batch of APS-C cameras are released. If those sensors are entirely 180nm, we've got ourselves a ballgame.

Thanks, maybe it is worth it to wait it out then. Like I said I want to stay with Canon but if the dynamic range is the same as the 5D's I really can't. I know probably down the road Canon will come out with a better sensor but I"m not heavily invested in Canon glass and will be keeping this camera for at least 2 years so obviously I'd want the better one right now.. If the dynamic range is close to the D600's then I'd probably still get the 6D but if its only a slight improvment I probably wont, it wouldnt make sense.

Go with what you know right now - truly, with the industry making up it's own mind that's the best you can do. What about Canon is holding you back in your work? I've only got the 5Dc myself and certainly would like the MK III, but I don't feel that "old tech" has been a major obstacle to my work. Just curious..........

Je5ter wrote in post #15264140
Thanks, maybe it is worth it to wait it out then. Like I said I want to stay with Canon but if the dynamic range is the same as the 5D's I really can't. I know probably down the road Canon will come out with a better sensor but I"m not heavily invested in Canon glass and will be keeping this camera for at least 2 years so obviously I'd want the better one right now.. If the dynamic range is close to the D600's then I'd probably still get the 6D but if its only a slight improvment I probably wont, it wouldnt make sense.

If you think the D600 will better suit your needs, there's certainly no reason to wait since it's already here and available.

Now

My apologies if you already know this but, don't switch camps with the assumption that an EXMOR sensor is going to solve all problems associated with landscape photography. The limits will certainly be higher than what Canon offers right now, but you will still encounter challenging scenes that will exceed the DR of the Nikon bodies. You're still going to need a variety of techniques and/or good set of filters for scenes with excessive DR requirements. Switching to Nikon doesn't always mean take 1 shot, push the shadows and sell prints.

Let's say you get a D600. Guess what... some scenes will exceed it's DR too!

Shooting landscapes, why not use some HDR type techniques to compress the DR into what's possible? That's easier than ever with a lot of the softwares on the market.

Plus, are you making prints or just looking at your images on a computer monitor? No computer monitor can display the full DR of any current Canon model, let alone one of those Nikon's. I use a calibrated wide gamut, graphics-quality display that's considerably better than most consumer grade flat panel displays (and certainly better than any laptop or pad). But even with it, there's another half to full stop of detail to be seen in both the shadows and highlights of any decent quality print I make. I'm always pleasantly surprised.

Not trying to talk you out of the D600... Heck if you think it will fit your needs better, go for it if you can. However, "the grass is always greener"... As I'm sure you know there's a whole lot more to photography than the DR of the sensor in the camera (lenses, filters, techniques and much more) and I just would caution not get too high expectations. I don't think I've ever seen a photographer's work magically transformed by a new piece of gear.... I have seen photographers do amazing things with even ancient gear that no one would consider buying today reading the spec sheets.

Je5ter wrote in post #15263737
what is the likely hood that the dynamic range will be improved with the "new" sensor?

At this point I figure the odds be 50/50.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15264181
If you think the D600 will better suit your needs, there's certainly no reason to wait since it's already here and available.

Now

My apologies if you already know this but, don't switch camps with the assumption that an EXMOR sensor is going to solve all problems associated with landscape photography. The limits will certainly be higher than what Canon offers right now, but you will still encounter challenging scenes that will exceed the DR of the Nikon bodies. You're still going to need a variety of techniques and/or good set of filters for scenes with excessive DR requirements. Switching to Nikon doesn't always mean take 1 shot, push the shadows and sell prints.

Thanks for your input . I am aware of all this and do own a good set of Lee filters which I use quite often. However they are a bit cumbersome to use at times and I don't always have them with me and any little help for the camera with DR would be greatly appreciated at times. The comparisons right now between the D600 and the 5DIII in regards to dynamic range are a huge difference between the IQ of the two and I can't see how it would not be a huge deciding factor for any landscape photographer?? So let me ask you this: knowing what you know now and primarily being a landscape photographer and were just starting out what camp would you chose?

6D is starting to make its way out into the world now, just wait a little and we'll have some decent tests of it.

I do a great deal of urban landscape and related fine art work - I have a lot invested in Canon glass so for me it would be 5DIII. I shoot for print and exhibition - less so for onscreen viewing as the main goal. Is the Canon perfect? Of course not. But with careful exposure and diligent post processing I can be happy most of the time .

It's too easy to fall into the trap of constantly chasing windmills. I actually have some friends who shoot large format film and then scan the negs. Not for me though........

Canon hasn't really made any significant improvements in dynamic range, I can't see them doing that in the 6d. I would have thought if anything they would have done it in the 5dm3 and 1dx to combat the D800 and D4, it wouldn't make marketing sense for the entry level full frame to have better DR that the top of the range would it.

I think the only chance would the 46mp camera body planned