How practical is this? Does it have sufficient reach and would I be able to take pics without flash? This is a normally lit gym - nothing fancy and just little kids soccer practice.
Also - how about in swimming pools?
inspectoring Member 207 posts Likes: 5 Joined Sep 2011 More info | Nov 27, 2012 09:19 | #1 How practical is this? Does it have sufficient reach and would I be able to take pics without flash? This is a normally lit gym - nothing fancy and just little kids soccer practice. Gear: 7D, Canon 70-200 f8 MK II, 70-200 f4 IS, 24-70 f2.8 and Sigmalux 50 f1.4 Flash: 580EXii
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Nov 27, 2012 09:28 | #2 It depends on what body you are using and how recently the lighting was done in the gym. I have shot in a LOT of school gyms and never found one where f/2.8 was acceptable at ISO3200. This is the primary reason I just upgraded my body to the 5D3, so that I can shoot a stop higher and use my f/2.8 glass. As far as reach goes, it should be fine, particularly if you are on a crop body. You can stand on the baseline and shoot the defensive action (in basketball) on the other end of the court with 200mm. You will find 70mm too long for baseline shooting on the near end with a crop body. For volleyball, the range would be fine. Mike
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JohnfromPA Cream of the Crop 11,256 posts Likes: 1526 Joined May 2003 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania More info | Nov 27, 2012 09:50 | #3 convergent, care to elaborate on "I just upgraded my body to the 5D3, so that I can shoot a stop higher and use my f/2.8 glass". How does a body change give me another stop on any given lens, assuming the same ISO?
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talbot_sunbeam Senior Member  848 posts Joined Dec 2008 Location: UK More info | Nov 27, 2012 09:51 | #4 John from PA wrote in post #15295205  convergent, care to elaborate on "I just upgraded my body to the 5D3, so that I can shoot a stop higher and use my f/2.8 glass". How does a body change give me another stop on any given lens, assuming the same ISO? It performs better at higher ISO's, so you can raise the ISO to compensate instead of dropping the shutter or using wider apertures.
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Voaky999 Goldmember  More info | Nov 27, 2012 10:03 | #5 I have shot in a lot of high school gyms and you are typically at at least ISO 6400 to get a decent shutter speed (1/640) with a 2.8 lens. Don
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Nov 27, 2012 10:15 | #6 I will be shooting with 7D Gear: 7D, Canon 70-200 f8 MK II, 70-200 f4 IS, 24-70 f2.8 and Sigmalux 50 f1.4 Flash: 580EXii
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Nov 27, 2012 10:55 | #7 inspectoring wrote in post #15295081 How practical is this? Does it have sufficient reach and would I be able to take pics without flash? This is a normally lit gym - nothing fancy and just little kids soccer practice. Also - how about in swimming pools? Available light images from a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens in a typically illuminated high school gym.
Focal Length: 70.0mm Aperture: f/2.8 Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400) ISO equiv: 6400 Exposure Bias: none Metering Mode: Matrix Exposure: Manual Exposure Mode: Manual White Balance: Manual Flash Fired: No (enforced) Orientation: Normal Color Space: sRGB
Focal Length: 200.0mm Aperture: f/2.8 Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400) ISO equiv: 6400 Exposure Bias: none Metering Mode: Matrix Exposure: Manual Exposure Mode: Manual White Balance: Manual Flash Fired: No (enforced) Orientation: Normal Color Space: sRGB You'll need to use a high ISO to get action-stopping shutter speeds with available. However, you have no reason to worry about the use of a 70-200mm f/2.8 lens inside a gym. That type of lens has been the basic indoor action lens going back to the time of 35mm film. The newer Canon 70-200 /f2.8 IS II is considered to be one of the company's best products. There's less reason to worry about that lens than just about anything manufactured by Canon.
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Nov 27, 2012 11:35 | #8 John from PA wrote in post #15295205 convergent, care to elaborate on "I just upgraded my body to the 5D3, so that I can shoot a stop higher and use my f/2.8 glass". How does a body change give me another stop on any given lens, assuming the same ISO? When you enter a venue to shoot sports, what do you do? You will use some approach to metering the available light. Typically, short of using a light meter, you'd set body to Av, lens focal length to wide open, and see what ISO is required to get an acceptable shutter speed, usually 1/500s or better. With prior bodies, the highest ISO that I found acceptable, was 3200. In the many gyms I have shot in, I very rarely could do that at f/2.8. I shot at f/2 most of the time to just get 1/500s. The 5D3 (and 1DX) is at least 1.5 stops better, so I should easily be able to now shoot at f/2.8 and have better image quality than I did before. Mike
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edrader "I am not the final word"  More info | FF body will be cleaner at Hi ISOs but you also lose "reach". there's always a trade-off. http://instagram.com/edraderphotography/
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TSchrief Goldmember  2,099 posts Joined Aug 2012 Location: Bourbon, Indiana More info | Nov 27, 2012 11:47 | #10  Permanent banShoot raw at 6400. Even at 2.8 you'll need it. You could get faster glass for side-court shots. An 85 1.8 or 50 1.8 will get you a little more light, 1.3 stops, and they are not expensive.
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Madwrench Senior Member 633 posts Likes: 9 Joined Feb 2011 More info | O.P.: Do a search for some of Team Speed's remarks/tips about using high ISO with the 7D. I believe there is a thread going on right now where this is being discussed, but I don't have time to find it at the moment.
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Nov 27, 2012 13:44 | #12 Madwrench wrote in post #15295949 O.P.: Do a search for some of Team Speed's remarks/tips about using high ISO with the 7D. I believe there is a thread going on right now where this is being discussed, but I don't have time to find it at the moment. Thank you Madwrench Gear: 7D, Canon 70-200 f8 MK II, 70-200 f4 IS, 24-70 f2.8 and Sigmalux 50 f1.4 Flash: 580EXii
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Nov 27, 2012 15:28 | #13 DC fan,
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Nov 27, 2012 16:31 | #14 guntoter wrote in post #15296594 DC fan, Thanks for those pictures and the settings you were using. The 6400 ISO produced very acceptable images. What is your camera? I have a 70-200 2.8 II on the way. Should arrive tomorrow. I shoot a 7D. One of the primary places I wanted to use it was high school basketball, and the gyms are fairly well lighted. Your pics give me a "warm and fuzzy" feeling about my purchase. The camera was a Canon T2i, and the lens was a relatively inexpensive Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 non-stabilized unit.
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