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Nov 28, 2012 08:51 |  #1

So - I've never been artistic (I'm math/engineering oriented, so I don't have that abstract creative brain), I don't have formal training in photography, editing or desktop publishing.

Do most of you create your own custom cards/announcements/al​bums etc for clients, or do you use templates provided by the printing companies (or create variations of items you see as templates on websites)?

If you DO create your own, what software packages do you use? Are you using the Photoshop type programs, or are you using publishing programs like Quark, or Illustrator, or perhaps a "PowerPoint" type application?

I'm really struggling trying to create these items, and I feel like I'm missing a key tool. There has to exist a location where you can download "Swirlies", "Doilies", and various clip/art decor items that aren't cartoonish and childish.

Any pointers? I'm really struggling with this.




  
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Nov 28, 2012 09:16 |  #2

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Do most of you create your own custom cards/announcements/al​bums etc for clients, or do you use templates provided by the printing companies (or create variations of items you see as templates on websites)?

I just sit down with an idea, & don't rush it. Over a period of a week or so, it comes together.
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If you DO create your own, what software packages do you use?

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There has to exist a location where you can download "Swirlies", "Doilies", and various clip/art decor items that aren't cartoonish and childish.

Google "Clip Art" (external link).


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Nov 28, 2012 09:18 |  #3

There are some other sites that may help, digitalscrapper.com (external link)
I will be interested to read what you find. Please report back even if not answered on here.
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Nov 28, 2012 09:25 |  #4

There has to exist a location where you can download "Swirlies", "Doilies", and various clip/art decor items that aren't cartoonish and childish.

id recommend www.deviantart.com/res​ources/applications/ (external link) heaps of free stuff for light room, illustrator and Photoshop




  
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Nov 28, 2012 11:34 |  #5

You'll get there. It's tough, and it comes with time and practice, and you'll probably have to force it at first. If you're like me, you'll develop a style that reflects a bit of your engineering background.

I started out having a VERY difficult time making anything with the "grunge" look - if left to my own devices, everything will be clean, geometric, symmetric, perfectly measured and aligned (I get out the calculator to figure out exactly how many pixels each frame will be). But I really LIKE the grunge aesthetic, so I started working with other people's pre-made textures and patterns and stuff, and now I can incorporate those styles into my own designs reasonably well.

Look at other designs that you like - really study them, look at all the little details. the gradients, the drop shadows, the frames and borders, the overlaid textures, etc. All those little details are what makes the design look "finished" - they're all little individual components all stacked together to make the final design. You can accomplish a LOT of fancy-looking stuff simply by applying layer styles to a very simple font or line pattern.

As stated above, I use a lot of pre-made clip art, textures, and patterns. Most of it is free downloads, but I've bought a few things off iStock and shutterstock. Deviantart is a great resource too, as mentioned above.

"Start to learn Illustrator" is on my 2013 to-do list.

Helpful hint: As you're doing your projects, start building up an organized library of design components, clipart, textures, etc.

Helpful hint 2: Google for "free vector [SUBject]" and you'll usually get some good hits. A vector is an image that can be infinitely scaled up, so you don't get pixelated results when you blow up a small component to take up the whole page. (warning, some of the "free" results will actually be "royaly-free" which have a one-time payment - e.g. shutterstock, iStock)

Helpful hint 3: If you like the "retro" aesthetic, check out http://tackorama.net/ (external link) for fonts, patterns, etc.


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Nov 28, 2012 14:20 |  #6

D_A wrote in post #15299524 (external link)
There has to exist a location where you can download "Swirlies", "Doilies", and various clip/art decor items that aren't cartoonish and childish.

id recommend www.deviantart.com/res​ources/applications/ (external link) heaps of free stuff for light room, illustrator and Photoshop

Hmm, I clicked on that link and got a DA page/message that the page doesn't exist!


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Nov 28, 2012 14:25 |  #7

tonylong wrote in post #15300741 (external link)
Hmm, I clicked on that link and got a DA page/message that the page doesn't exist!

Just click on the "go back to our homepage" link;)


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Nov 28, 2012 14:25 |  #8

Just do a googley search for photoshop brushes. There are lots of swirlies etc. that you just size and stamp. Most are free.




  
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Nov 28, 2012 16:22 |  #9

So - do most of you use Photoshop? The only trouble I have with it, is it certainly is NOT intuitive. I have a VERY old version, and I can't even figure out how to resize a square, or square selection? (or set it to the size I want for that matter).

My 2nd hurdle is I just purchased a new Mac, and I have absolutely no CLUE where anything is, or even what software is available. I downloaded an open source desktop publishing package (Scribus?), but don't even know where to start.

Thank you for all of the links.

Do any of you simply resell items that are available commercially to the public? For instance www.magnet street.com has tons of templates available. Is reinventing the wheel a waste of time, or is selling a customer something that they can find themselves a "no-no"?




  
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Nov 28, 2012 16:25 |  #10

I use photoshop. If you do a youtube search you can find lots of tutorials to get you up and going.




  
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Nov 28, 2012 19:02 |  #11

tonylong wrote in post #15300741 (external link)
Hmm, I clicked on that link and got a DA page/message that the page doesn't exist!

Try this one:
http://browse.devianta​rt.com/resources/ (external link)

.. and use the navigation bar on the left and the search box at the top to find specifics.

[edit] I just typed in "vector" into the DeviantArt search bar and found a ton of cool stuff.


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Nov 28, 2012 20:12 |  #12

Well, good, hope that helps the OP!


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Nov 28, 2012 20:14 |  #13

Buchinger wrote in post #15299394 (external link)
So - I've never been artistic (I'm math/engineering oriented, so I don't have that abstract creative brain), I don't have formal training in photography, editing or desktop publishing.

Do most of you create your own custom cards/announcements/al​bums etc for clients, or do you use templates provided by the printing companies (or create variations of items you see as templates on websites)?

If you DO create your own, what software packages do you use? Are you using the Photoshop type programs, or are you using publishing programs like Quark, or Illustrator, or perhaps a "PowerPoint" type application?

I'm really struggling trying to create these items, and I feel like I'm missing a key tool. There has to exist a location where you can download "Swirlies", "Doilies", and various clip/art decor items that aren't cartoonish and childish.

Any pointers? I'm really struggling with this.

So you think you are not "creative" because you are math/engineering oriented and don't have "that abstract creative brain". One of the greatest (IMO) creative minds of our times was Albert Einstein - a very math/physics oriented guy. I am a math/engineering oriented guy who does a lot of photography and my friends often accuse me of being creative - something I do not deny (not meaning to sound conceited, but it does happen that us math/engineering types can be creative). You have raised an interesting point that I often get into considerable discussion with other folks about and that is "being creative". There are some who feel that being creative is something you are born with - I disagree - strongly - I believe that you can learn to be creative - it is a matter of learning to think differently. To quote a much overused phrase - "thinking outside the box" can be learned and it is a first step in learning to think creatively. Having access to all the custom cards, templates, "swirlies" and "doilies" in the world does not make you creative. Nor does using any of the publishing programs - Quark and Illustrator that you mentioned - make you creative. What you do with them does. What you do with them depends on your developed capability to "think outside the box" - use "lateral thinking". Also, you do not need formal training in photgraphy, editing or desktop publishing to be creative.

If you are serious about being creative or learning how to be creative, then I would suggest you read some of the books that have been written by Edward de Bono, as he is the person who coined the term "lateral thinking" and he has written a number of books about creativity - "Serious Creativity" and "The Use of Lateral Thinking" are just two of many. Look him up on Amazon.com and you will find literally hundreds of books he has authored, all centred around the ideas and concepts of "creative thinking".

Years ago, about 30+ of them, I was working for a large IT consulting company and it introduced a technique called "Mindmapping" to its employees. This was my introduction to creativity and creative thinking - it was, literally, an epiphany - I could learn to think creatively! and the rest, as they say is history - my history. If you Google "mindmapping" on the web, or search Amazon for books on the subject, you will, again, find a lot of information that, hopefully, you will find useful. Look for the name "Tony Buzan" - he invented it.

Right now, you are in a box - yes really - as you call it, it's the "math/engineering" box. It takes very little effort and some basic understanding of technique to learn to think outside of this "box" and I would encourage you to do so. Remember, some of the greatest engineering structures in the world were designed and built with the help of engineers who thought outside the box. Smile and think outside the box. You can also learn a lot by looking at examples of work that you like, thinking about why you like them and then using some of these thoughts in your own endeavours.

Let's watch the discussion this generates, if any!

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Nov 28, 2012 21:48 |  #14

WesternGuy, that's an interesting post and you put out some interesting leads!

Now here's a question:

Buchinger in the OP put out two terms that he/she "lumped" into the same post, those terms being "artistic" and "creative".

So, here's the question for part of this discussion: should we properly lump the two together as if they have the same meaning? Or do they have different and distinct meanings?

And then, WesternGuy put out those thoughts and resources for developing "creativity"...would the same ideas apply to developing "artisticness"?


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Nov 28, 2012 21:49 |  #15

WesternGuy - Thanks! I'm TRYING to think outside the box! At this point I'm just struggling with getting what I see in my brain, on the screen.

I realize training isn't necessary, BUT - this graphics world is so vast and confusing.

I had an interesting thing happen to me one time. I have a friend who is a retired carpenter, who was helping me hang some doors. We got to the very end end, and in utter disappointment, I opened the door knobs, which had a square latch cover (the part that screws into the edge of the door where the latch goes in and out), and the door cutout had rounded edges. So this latch cover wouldn't sit flush in the little cutout that is there. I said, "Do we have to get a new door knob because there is no way I'm going to be able to chisel out those corners and have them look right". He grinned at me, reached into his tool belt, and pulled out this little gadget, held it in the corner, and whacked it with a hammer. He did the same thing in each corner. In 5 seconds he had perfect corners and the latch screwed into the door.

I equate the lack of training in the field - to the lack of exposure to what tools are available. I want to make sure I'm using the right tool for the job. Its like trying to do an engineering drawing on Microsoft Paint, you know?

I will definitely look into those books though. I sometimes feel like I have good ideas, its the execution where I really struggle...

Interesting part on the "creative/artistic" discussion tonylong.

I've never had Photography training either - I just started taking pictures. Strangely, I had taken many pictures that followed many rules I never knew existed, like the rule of thirds, just because to me it was more pleasing/dramatic or whatever you want to call it.




  
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