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battle of the new 24-70's (VC vs f/4 IS)

 
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Nov 29, 2012 00:40 |  #1

Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC

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Canon 24-70 f/4 IS

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close MFD at 70mm (for food photography)

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Good thing i read further, but the Canon 24-70 f/4 IS has different MFD's at different focal lengths. (i initially thought it was at all focal lengths).

does the MFD slowly change the closer one gets to 70mm or does it switch from the normal MFD to the close MFD?

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i'm torn between these two lenses, anybody in the same predicament?


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Nov 29, 2012 01:05 |  #2

i think the MFD is the same throughout the range...in order to get the .7X magnification though you need to switch it to macro mode...in which case the MFD is closer...it's supposed to only give 3cm of working distance from the front of the lens though...


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Nov 29, 2012 01:09 |  #3

mike cabilangan wrote in post #15302948 (external link)
Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC

pros:
cheaper
2.8

Canon 24-70 f/4 IS

pros:
close MFD at 70mm (for food photography)

-0-

Good thing i read further, but the Canon 24-70 f/4 IS has different MFD's at different focal lengths. (i initially thought it was at all focal lengths).

does the MFD slowly change the closer one gets to 70mm or does it switch from the normal MFD to the close MFD?

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i'm torn between these two lenses, anybody in the same predicament?


I think (but am not positive) but the canon has a macro "switch" that you can engage at a certain focal length.


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Nov 29, 2012 01:10 |  #4

DreDaze wrote in post #15302990 (external link)
i think the MFD is the same throughout the range...in order to get the .7X magnification though you need to switch it to macro mode...in which case the MFD is closer...it's supposed to only give 3cm of working distance from the front of the lens though...

beat me to it! haha


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Nov 29, 2012 01:13 |  #5

from Canon's text,

Featuring dynamic L-series optical performance in a compact, lightweight and durable design, the new EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens is well suited for all levels of advanced photography on the go. The ideal companion to Canon’s full-frame Digital SLR cameras such as the EOS 6D, the lens features a constant maximum aperture of f/4 throughout the entire zoom range with 15 lens elements in 12 groups including two aspherical and two UD lens elements and a 9-blade circular aperture diaphragm. The EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens delivers gorgeous images with excellent detail at all focal lengths and includes a macro feature at the telephoto end with a 0.2m/7.9-inch minimum focusing distance and Canon’s Hybrid IS system (with up to four stops of stabilization). The macro feature can be engaged through a switch on the lens barrel. In addition, the lens features inner focusing and a ring-type Ultrasonic Motor (USM) for quiet, fast autofocus, and has full-time mechanical manual focus that’s enabled even during AF operation. Compact at only 93mm in length, with excellent dust and water resistance, the EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens has a fluorine coating on the front and rear elements for easy maintenance and cleaning.

i hope it's all throughout the range.

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how does the 3cm of working distance work? i mean, i'm 8 inches from the subject ... can you explain the 3cm of working distance?


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Nov 29, 2012 10:14 |  #6

mike cabilangan wrote in post #15303006 (external link)
from Canon's text,

i hope it's all throughout the range.

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how does the 3cm of working distance work? i mean, i'm 8 inches from the subject ... can you explain the 3cm of working distance?

look at dpreviews comments...the MFD normally is 1.2ft, it goes to .7ft when in macro mode...the second page to this link has more about macro mode
http://www.dpreview.co​m …non-ef-24-70mm-f4l-is-usm (external link)

the 3cm of working distance means you'll have to have the subject 3cms from the front of the lens to take advantage of the .7mag


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Nov 29, 2012 11:35 |  #7

Whatever the MFD, the f2.8 on the Tamron at a lower cost would seem to trump the Canon - so long as the IQ is good enough.


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Nov 29, 2012 12:21 |  #8

f4 lens? Why not get something atleast f2 unless shooting strobes or nice natural light.


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Nov 29, 2012 12:27 |  #9

you can get the tamron + kenkos for the same price as the 24-70 F4IS and still have a stop advantage.


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Nov 29, 2012 16:46 |  #10

DreDaze wrote in post #15304049 (external link)
look at dpreviews comments...the MFD normally is 1.2ft, it goes to .7ft when in macro mode...the second page to this link has more about macro mode
http://www.dpreview.co​m …non-ef-24-70mm-f4l-is-usm (external link)

the 3cm of working distance means you'll have to have the subject 3cms from the front of the lens to take advantage of the .7mag

thanks, now i understand how the macro mode of the 24-70 works

i still don't get the 3cm thing. how can it have an MFD of .2m and a require a distance of 3cm. does that mean it can focus closer than the .2m?


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Nov 29, 2012 16:50 |  #11

mike cabilangan wrote in post #15305529 (external link)
thanks, now i understand how the macro mode of the 24-70 works

i still don't get the 3cm thing. how can it have an MFD of .2m and a require a distance of 3cm. does that mean it can focus closer than the .2m?

MFD is from the sensor...so you have to take in to account the length of the lens, and that little bit that it's out from the sensor as well...


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Nov 29, 2012 17:25 |  #12

Charlie wrote in post #15304525 (external link)
you can get the tamron + kenkos for the same price as the 24-70 F4IS and still have a stop advantage.

That may be but it's hard to get over the Tamron's bokeh.


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Nov 29, 2012 17:31 |  #13

DreDaze wrote in post #15305542 (external link)
MFD is from the sensor...so you have to take in to account the length of the lens, and that little bit that it's out from the sensor as well...

thanks for the explanation!


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Nov 29, 2012 20:09 |  #14

davidc502 wrote in post #15305679 (external link)
That may be but it's hard to get over the Tamron's bokeh.

a little nervous bokeh... easy to overcome if even an issue. The canon will likely have some bokeh issues as well. Sharp lenses = nervous bokeh.


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Dec 20, 2012 20:01 as a reply to  @ Charlie's post |  #15

Still looking forward to reviews of this lens, but a minimum working distance of 1.5" in macro (compared to 6" of the 100mm 2.8L, for example), is a big downer (for me, at least).


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