beginning of the end for upgrades

Wow! Leave it to Intel to go back to the past... Reminds me of my old 386. I had to replace the whole MB just to upgrade the CPU...

CameraMan wrote in post #15322233
Wow! Leave it to Intel to go back to the past... Reminds me of my old 386. I had to replace the whole MB just to upgrade the CPU...

What's old becomes new again...just look at fashion..

CameraMan wrote in post #15322233
Wow! Leave it to Intel to go back to the past... Reminds me of my old 386. I had to replace the whole MB just to upgrade the CPU...

Seems to me that's pretty much what you do today. Want an Ivy Bridge CPU? Get a new 22nm board. Want that real fast high speed graphic card? Get a new MB with PCI 3.0. Want to read data faster? Get a new mb with USB 3.0

So tell me again how it's going to be different ?

True. I usually buy the fastest CPU that will run on a MB. But for those who look to upgrade that CPU in the future and buy a middle range CPU can just buy a faster CPU in the future. You can't do that with soldered motherboard CPU combinations. You buy a slower CPU, you're stuck with it unless you buy a new MB. Doesn't make sense in that regard does it?

Reminds me of the first 386 I had. 386 SX 16. Not the fastest CPU out there at the time but if I wanted the SX33 I had to buy a new MB. I believe at the time I wanted to do that, the 486 CPU and boards were coming out so I opted for a 486 instead. I might have just bought a faster 386 CPU if it were cheaper than a whole CPU/MB upgrade.

Hen3Ry wrote in post #15324670
Seems to me that's pretty much what you do today. Want an Ivy Bridge CPU? Get a new 22nm board. Want that real fast high speed graphic card? Get a new MB with PCI 3.0. Want to read data faster? Get a new mb with USB 3.0

So tell me again how it's going to be different ?

If the CPU is soldered to a motherboard, this kills the market for 3rd party motherboards.

mike_d wrote in post #15324811
If the CPU is soldered to a motherboard, this kills the market for 3rd party motherboards.

ASUS might find a way around this. Who knows. Either that or AMD will take over.

CameraMan wrote in post #15324792
True. I usually buy the fastest CPU that will run on a MB.

I use to do that as well but the cost/return is so poor that I now look for the performance knee. The difference in cost between a low performance, mid-performance, and upper-mid is maybe $100. Then to move to top performance the price skyrockets. I just look to see where the price skyrockets and buy at the price knee. You get 80% of the performance for 20% of the cost.

mike_d wrote in post #15324811
If the CPU is soldered to a motherboard, this kills the market for 3rd party motherboards.

Intel will simply supply the CPU's to the board manufacturers who will do the attaching. Same as they currently do with laptops.

In theory it takes a big cost out of board production as your removing a component and process and consolidating the supply chain into less but larger shipments.

Moppie wrote in post #15326172
Intel will simply supply the CPU's to the board manufacturers who will do the attaching. Same as they currently do with laptops.

In theory it takes a big cost out of board production as your removing a component and process and consolidating the supply chain into less but larger shipments.

This all would be fine as long as they provide a proper cooling method for the CPU's. Now a days Intel ships a heatsink & Fan with each CPU. If it is beneficial for them to control heat issues when they do this then I see it as a huge plus. Let me install the MB/CPU in the machine and not have to worry about keeping the CPU cool. Who knows, maybe they'll be able to keep them cooldoing this. Those 386's ran MUCH cooler than these newer CPU's.

Those 386's also uses a LOT less power


Intel is a bit hit and miss with CPU coolers, the old Core 2 coolers were awesome, the new ones not quite as good.
But the cooling will be part of the board manufacturers problem, which opens lots of options in the market.

They'll be selling CPU fans separately. Watch...

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RHChan84 wrote in post #15313976
That is true. But then again, how often does a Mobo go out? It does go out but not often? I usually see the BIOs battery go out and someone installed it wrong or did it with the power on and shorted something out or maybe someone just has their PC hooked up to an outlet without protection and power surge shorts something out. But on normal usage, very very rare from what I have seen but I'm not in IT so they might say different.

I would like to see real world test when they do start selling the integrated Mobo and processor and how it performed to a similar PC with the similar MoBo and Processor.

Well, Intel appears to be on the kick of changing the socket with every new generation of cpu, so that's going to force a motherboard change for people whose practice is to upgrade the cpu only when it makes a significant difference (as opposed to those who swap cpus within the same generation for even the tiniest speed increase).

RDKirk wrote in post #15330053
Well, Intel appears to be on the kick of changing the socket with every new generation of cpu, so that's going to force a motherboard change for people whose practice is to upgrade the cpu only when it makes a significant difference (as opposed to those who swap cpus within the same generation for even the tiniest speed increase).

I was actually reviewing all my builds over the last 15 years and I'm thinking I'm ok with the processor soldered onto the MB. I can't remember a single time I have just upgraded a processor without upgrading the MB as well. The only time I have ever replaced just a processor was when I was dorking around with a fan on a Athlon proc and accidentally the clip popped loose and the fan fell off. Those Athlons ran so hot that it cooked itself and turned blue in less than a second. I made the mistake of toughing the chip to see if it was hot and burned the logo into my finger tip.