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Jan 03, 2006 07:57 |  #1

Like the title says.
If you were in my place, disregarding your area of interest (and mine) or current need in particular focal length . Which would you get? Also disregard my bigma. It is being borrowed,but will remain borrowed indefnitely .

So scenario A or B?

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  • EF 300 2.8 IS L
  • 85L
  • Canon 1.4x TC
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  • EF 300 2.8 IS L
  • 35 L
  • 50 1.4
  • Canon 1.4x TC
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  • 85L
  • 35L
  • ts-e 24 L
  • ef 50 1.4
  • mt-24ex
  • angle finder C
  • canon tc 1.4x
  • p-2000

I have a feeling the majority will go for B.

But, are 4 lenses and convenient accessories a better choice than 2 lenses?

I guess the logic behind it is that the different lenses provide a lot of usage, the ts-e for architecture and wide angle. The 35L and 85 L dont need justification. The 50 1.4 is reasonbly priced for great quality images. You get the idea. So the quantity of scenario B dictates its winning over scenario A.

But in reality, both scenario A and B (assume that difference in price between scenarios is totally irrelevant) are equal in value. So by this definition, both situations are equal. Meaning that I will be equally happy/satisfied with either scenario. For example, study to become a doctor or get a bacherlor's degree in engineering (such as electrical,software,pe​troleum and chemical) and then an Masters in engineering and then lastly a doctorate in engineering. You see? quality over quantity? (assuming a person with a doctorate recieves comparable salary to a employee with a doctorate). A dozen barrels of petrolworth about $550 or a 1 Tola of gold (about $550,round-edged,@ 9850).


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But what about winning based on quality? Its hard to say that owning a 300 2.8 IS L and 35 L /50 1.4 or 300 2.8 IS L and 85 L is not better - inquality, disregarding focal length and aperture- than the complete scenario B.


So who wins? Distatorship by quality? quantity or monetary common law ?

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Jan 03, 2006 08:23 |  #2

Man..I'd DEFINITELY go with A2. That's 3 awesome lenses, but if you don't want a telephoto, don't bother! That 300 is great even with a 2x on it. How else are you gonna get an 800-some mm lens on a 20D for under $5k? The 35L is amazing, and should definitely be had no matter what. The 50 I don't think is important when you have the 35, but that's just me. I'd get the 85 1.8 instead.


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Jan 03, 2006 08:41 |  #3

A1. You're currently lacking on the long end, so that says "300" to me. And the 85 rather than the 35+50, since those two overlap what you've already got (between the 17-40 and the 50 f/1.8). I can't disregard gaps in coverage - all your current lenses are capable, so upgrading is gilding the lily (maybe graduating with Honors) but supplementing is a real improvement (PhD instead of just Masters).


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Jan 03, 2006 08:44 |  #4

Plan A. 300MM IS/ Who would refuse to buy that?


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Jan 03, 2006 08:53 as a reply to  @ ACDCROCKS's post |  #5

A
EF 300 2.8 IS L
85L
Canon 1.4x TC

* Both longish.

or
EF 300 2.8 IS L
35 L
50 1.4
Canon 1.4x TC

* I don't think you would use the 50mm

B
85L
35L
ts-e 24 L
ef 50 1.4
mt-24ex
angle finder C
canon tc 1.4x
p-2000

* You could go for a 135mm L instead of the 50mm (which is good with the 1.4x). So B is my choice. I would probably lose the angle finder, mt-24ex (whatever that is) and p-2000 to find the cash for the 135mm.

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Jan 03, 2006 08:53 |  #6

I still think besides the 300, that the 35L and the 85 1.8 is a much better choice than just the 85 1.2L. It's just too slow and finicky, unless you're doing formal portraits with subjects that won't run away on you!


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Jan 03, 2006 08:54 |  #7

mt-24EX is a macro light.


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Jan 03, 2006 09:03 |  #8

I like the one that says "300mm f/2.8L IS" ;)

This lens also happens to be THE lens where the EF 2X Tele-converter is a serious consideration and welcome addition. So a very useable 600mm with IS option is just a few hundred more..


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Jan 03, 2006 09:08 |  #9

Ronald, yes Plan A (both i and ii) are tempting. Especially since havin the 300 @ 2.8 ( let alone its THE 300 2.8 ) and 420mm @ f/4 is perfect any need I may have in the long end. But then again, plan B is so much gear!! lol

Jon,I meant to imply disregarding my current lenses also. So now which would you say?

ACDCROCKS, someone being offered 3 L lenses and a bunch of worthwhile gear. Still you have a good point. Its the 300 2.8 IS

blue max, firstly, I already have a 135 L. But still disregard focal lengths man. Base your decision soley on the 2 sets of gear being questioned. Disregard my current line up, disregard your current fetish for a focal length, disregard price and lastly disregard usage. Whether I go with A or B. I plan on using each set as equally as I would have used the other.

On a personal note. I have a different perspective in relation to focal length. Before buying the 135L, i had questioned whether I could use such a field of view for portrait on a 20D. But then I realized that its not branded as portrait-only and will explode or better yet implode if used to photo anything other than a portrait. So I use my 135 L to capture images that I want to represent in 135 L field of view. I bought the lens in the end, because of its quality. Portraits are nice and all. But its a great lens for architecture too! How so? To isolate certain parts of a magnificent building. So, I would use a 50mm lens if I need to.


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Jan 03, 2006 09:14 |  #10

The 300 F2.8L IS is very nice, but do you really need to pay 3x the price of the F4 version?


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Jan 03, 2006 09:14 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #11

Option A1 but would consider 85mm 1.8 over 85L 1.2
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Jan 03, 2006 09:14 as a reply to  @ CorruptedPhotographer's post |  #12

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plan B is so much gear!! lol

Yes, but it's "so much gear" without a telephoto. You'll always be wishing you had that *really* long lens (with the 2x), but you spent the money on moooore standard lenses instead. You'll kick yourself.

Man, if I could have the 300 2.8L IS AND the 35L, I'd die a happy man. That'd be effing amazing.


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Jan 03, 2006 09:24 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #13

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
I like the one that says "300mm f/2.8L IS" ;)

This lens also happens to be THE lens where the EF 2X Tele-converter is a serious consideration and welcome addition. So a very useable 600mm with IS option is just a few hundred more..

Dont these intice you?
85L
35L
ts-e 24 L
ef 50 1.4
mt-24ex

Imagine what you could do with a mt-24ex as a master,your 580EX as a remote slave and your mp-e? What about the ts-e 24 L for landscape and architecture? I know its supposed to be less sharp than mr.45 and ms.90, but that only means those lenses are sharper, not that the TS-E 24 L is soft. Same idea when comparing the 35 L and 24 L.
I dont need to even begin praising the 35 and 85 L's.

I dunno guys, im so tempted that one minute im going plan A,the next im going plan B.

I know you guys,by now, are itching to ask me "what focal length do you need?". This would end the thread. But my needs are irrelevant to this decision.
I bet more people will get tempted to say " you should get the long glass because you lack any focal length after 135mm" (since I no longer own the 50-500).

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Jan 03, 2006 09:26 |  #14

Only one thing there entices me...

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Jan 03, 2006 09:27 as a reply to  @ Ronald S. Jr.'s post |  #15

Ronald S. Jr. wrote:
Yes, but it's "so much gear" without a telephoto. You'll always be wishing you had that *really* long lens (with the 2x), but you spent the money on moooore standard lenses instead. You'll kick yourself.

Right - I don't think you (CP) can ignore what you've already got. It's, going back to the college analogy, like getting the Bachelor's in Petroleum Engineering, then going back and getting a second Bachelors in French Lit instead of going for a Masters. You're reinventing the wheel. You get more bang for the buck by building on an existing sterling collection than by coming up with a second way to get there. You have to consider either existing equipment or primary use in expanding a system. Otherwise you're not expanding it, you're refining it. Is that what you want to do?


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