Canon Sunpak DF3000 Flash

Would somebody tell me what without bounce means. See in red below.


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Condition: New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging (where packaging is applicable). Packaging should be the same as what is found in a retail store, unless the item is handmade or was packaged by the manufacturer in non-retail packaging, such as an unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details. See all condition definitions- opens in a new window or tab ... Read moreabout the condition Brand: YongNuo
MPN: ZYN560II, YN560II Type: Shoe Mount
Bounce: Without Bounce Compatible Brand: Canon/Nikon
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gonzogolf wrote in post #16038809
I get that it can add up, but its not like the state of Georgia is going to run you down for it. They know if they cant get Amazon to collect for them its not likely to happen.

NC re-interpreted the way it view sales tax on certain marketing materials like film for offset presses, and then went after some of the larger print and prepress houses. Since we were a client of one of them, they came at us too and collected many years of "unpaid" back taxes.

this was back in the 90s. I'd agree its unlikely, but i wouldn't suggest assuming they won't come after you just because you're not a big fish.

hes gone wrote in post #16040482
=he's gone;16040482]NC re-interpreted the way it view sales tax on certain marketing materials like film for offset presses, and then went after some of the larger print and prepress houses. Since we were a client of one of them, they came at us too and collected many years of "unpaid" back taxes.

this was back in the 90s. I'd agree its unlikely, but i wouldn't suggest assuming they won't come after you just because you're not a big fish.

I wonder where they would find a jury, judge and prosecutor that has ordered something from a catalog or online and paid state taxes when the company didn't ask them to pay taxes.

DigitalDon wrote in post #16040675
I wonder where they would find a jury, judge and prosecutor that has ordered something from a catalog or online and paid state taxes when the company didn't ask them to pay taxes.

right. because no traffic court judge has ever been caught speeding and gone on to prosecute other traffic offenders. Not that you'd be advised to go to tax court for a small amount anyway.

do you run a business? this makes all the difference in the world.

In NC, businesses use federal tax IDs to pay sales taxes on goods sold, as well as avoid paying taxes on goods that will be resold and taxed. Goods can't be taxed twice.

Previous to the 1998 Internet Tax Freedom Act (absurd name, eh?) it was a "requirement" to pay taxes on online purchases in many states. That tax act has been extended but is up for renewal, i believe at the end of this year. Otherwise it expires.

That is why this issue has been in the news lately.

There is a new bill stuck in House committee that would require online businesses to start collecting sales tax. Amazon sees the passing of the bill as a competitive advantage because it would have little problem with the added overhead. Its smaller competitors however would have a much more difficult time administering the problem.

The new bill is the Marketplace Fairness Act. I suspect that the law you mentioned in Georgia would NOT go into effect without something changing at the federal level. And I wonder if it would even effect this tax year.

anyway, i'm wondering about that bounce compatible brand deal too, hope someone answers your last question.

hes gone wrote in post #16041621
=he's gone;16041621]right. because no traffic court judge has ever been caught speeding and gone on to prosecute other traffic offenders. Not that you'd be advised to go to tax court for a small amount anyway.

do you run a business? this makes all the difference in the world.

In NC, businesses use federal tax IDs to pay sales taxes on goods sold, as well as avoid paying taxes on goods that will be resold and taxed. Goods can't be taxed twice.

Previous to the 1998 Internet Tax Freedom Act (absurd name, eh?) it was a "requirement" to pay taxes on online purchases in many states. That tax act has been extended but is up for renewal, i believe at the end of this year. Otherwise it expires.

That is why this issue has been in the news lately.

There is a new bill stuck in House committee that would require online businesses to start collecting sales tax. Amazon sees the passing of the bill as a competitive advantage because it would have little problem with the added overhead. Its smaller competitors however would have a much more difficult time administering the problem.

The new bill is the Marketplace Fairness Act. I suspect that the law you mentioned in Georgia would NOT go into effect without something changing at the federal level. And I wonder if it would even effect this tax year.

anyway, i'm wondering about that bounce compatible brand deal too, hope someone answers your last question.

Thanks he's gone for the info, no I don't own a business, just the little man that they usual go after. Like watching COPS on tv they are always busting somebody that just stopped by a crack house, they know it's a crack house but it's the buyer that gets busted, never could figure out why, if they know it's a crack house why aren't they raiding it.

DigitalDon wrote in post #16041774
Thanks he's gone for the info, no I don't own a business, just the little man that they usual go after. Like watching COPS on tv they are always busting somebody that just stopped by a crack house, they know it's a crack house but it's the buyer that gets busted, never could figure out why, if they know it's a crack house why aren't they raiding it.

LOL

While I was eating my breakfast, I read about the new georgia law. What they did was to expand the definition of what it means to have operations in Georgia. The current federal law requires companies that have significant operations in states to comply with (and collect) the state sales tax.

Georgia has expanded its definition of a “physical presence” to get more online stores to collect sales tax from their customers.

Beginning last week, that included companies that use warehouses or offices in the state, whether they own them or not. At the end of the year, it will also include companies that have click-through ads on Georgia-based websites, known as affiliate relationships.

http://www.ajc.com …t-more-sales-tax-f/nSXnH/

interesting article. apparently some companies caught up in the changes have pulled out of the state.

i understand your concern, but if you're not operating as a business, i wouldn't worry too much at this point. I bet you'll start paying taxes online pretty soon though.

hes gone wrote in post #16040482
=he's gone;16040482]NC re-interpreted the way it view sales tax on certain marketing materials like film for offset presses, and then went after some of the larger print and prepress houses. Since we were a client of one of them, they came at us too and collected many years of "unpaid" back taxes.

this was back in the 90s. I'd agree its unlikely, but i wouldn't suggest assuming they won't come after you just because you're not a big fish.

But they have an easy way to find businesses like that one that you mention. On something like a flash via amazon it would be a practical impossibility in that: a) the tax would be $6 and it costs more to process a demand letter than that. b) its very likely he owes the tax regardless of whether they tax amazon because his state has a use tax already in place, but its a self reporting process and people simply dont. If they havent knocked on your door for previous catalog purchases they arent coming after past ebay, amazon, or craigslist purchases either.

Went and bought the SUNPAK 3000 at Walmart, curiosity got the better of me wanted to check it out to see what the animal looked like up close, WELL I got 2 flashes now ( the Sunpak and the YN565EX) and don't know what to do with them, from reading here and searching the net I found the camera settings for the flash but still haven't a clue as to how to make them fire as a pair (set them up).
This is what I think I have so far, the yn565ex can be set manualy and fired with a trigger, I am thinking the Sunpak can be done the same way BUT the flash settings can't be set, just a full power burst. Am I right so far?

Now if I have the Sunpak on the camera I am thinking I can control it with camera settings, if so then what happens to the picture when the YN565EX goes off, or will the YN565EX even fire with the sunpak on camera, Oh boy my head is starting to hurt.

I am going to Barns & Noble to look for a book on flash photography does anybody have any suggestions on the best book for flash photography, bare bones and to the point, don't care about the interworking of the flash, capacitors, flash tube, charging circuits, etc.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Your sunpak can use the the ETTL system when its in the hotshoe. I dont think it has the communications channel required to be controlled in the menu on the back of the camera though. It cant master the 565ex other than cause it to be triggered via the optical slave. When you use it that way the 565ex becomes a manual flash and no longer has any automatic features. You really ought to stop buying things until you get a better understanding of what you are doing. You are going to waste money.

gonzogolf wrote in post #16041917
Your sunpak can use the the ETTL system when its in the hotshoe. I dont think it has the communications channel required to be controlled in the menu on the back of the camera though. It cant master the 565ex other than cause it to be triggered via the optical slave. When you use it that way the 565ex becomes a manual flash and no longer has any automatic features. You really ought to stop buying things until you get a better understanding of what you are doing. You are going to waste money.

Your right about wasting money by not knowing what I doing, I wish I could comprehend the TTL, E-TTL, flash settings etc,
I am not making excuses for myself but with type 2 diabetes it is hard to read for long periods of time and what little brain I have left it just says stop it already I can't process your blurry vision.

DigitalDon wrote in post #16041999
Your right about wasting money by not knowing what I doing, I wish I could comprehend the TTL, E-TTL, flash settings etc,
I am not making excuses for myself but with type 2 diabetes it is hard to read for long periods of time and what little brain I have left it just says stop it already I can't process your blurry vision.

I'll try to simplify it. The most basic flashes are manual flashes. You can control their output by dialing them up and down using settings that allow you to use a fraction of the flashes' power (1/2, 1/4, etc down to as little as 1/125). Manual flash with digital is actually pretty easy in that you get consistent output so it only takes a few test shots to dial in the power you want. Best for shots where the subject doesnt change distance from the flash.

ETTL is evaluative through the lens metering. It's canon's auto flash system. It works by having the flash fire a low power preflash before the main flash that bounces off the subject and is metered inside the camera. The preflash fires so close to the main flash that you might not even see it. The preflash determines the power of the main flash. ETTL is great for event work where the distance to the subject is changing frequently. ETTL measures every shot so it can be inconsistent at times.

Triggering systems Manual flashes can be triggered using a set of radio triggers, or some flashes have an optical slave that will fire when it sees another flash.

ETTL triggering methods are more varied and not all the systems play nicely with each other. Some canon cameras can use canon's visible light system through their popup flash to control a remote canon flash. Others can do the same with certain canon flashes in the hotshoes. Those require line of sight. More recently 3rd party companies have been making radio triggers that work with ETTL. The YN622c is one such trigger system, photix, and pocket wizard are others.

gonzogolf wrote in post #16042083
I'll try to simplify it. The most basic flashes are manual flashes. You can control their output by dialing them up and down using settings that allow you to use a fraction of the flashes' power (1/2, 1/4, etc down to as little as 1/125). Manual flash with digital is actually pretty easy in that you get consistent output so it only takes a few test shots to dial in the power you want. Best for shots where the subject doesnt change distance from the flash.

ETTL is evaluative through the lens metering. It's canon's auto flash system. It works by having the flash fire a low power preflash before the main flash that bounces off the subject and is metered inside the camera. The preflash fires so close to the main flash that you might not even see it. The preflash determines the power of the main flash. ETTL is great for event work where the distance to the subject is changing frequently. ETTL measures every shot so it can be inconsistent at times.

Triggering systems Manual flashes can be triggered using a set of radio triggers, or some flashes have an optical slave that will fire when it sees another flash.

ETTL triggering methods are more varied and not all the systems play nicely with each other. Some canon cameras can use canon's visible light system through their popup flash to control a remote canon flash. Others can do the same with certain canon flashes in the hotshoes. Those require line of sight. More recently 3rd party companies have been making radio triggers that work with ETTL. The YN622c is one such trigger system, photix, and pocket wizard are others.

Thanks Gonzogolf, I really appreciate the help.

Question

Is the Sunpak say just a more featured flash than the pop up flash of the camera, different bounce angles, etc, do I understand that the TTL of the Sunpack is to meter the flash on the subject for exposure and set it's self to the flash output AND off camera it is just a burst of un-controllable light that has to triggered?
Thanks

DigitalDon wrote in post #16042254
Question

Is the Sunpak say just a more featured flash than the pop up flash of the camera, different bounce angles, etc, do I understand that the TTL of the Sunpack is to meter the flash on the subject for exposure and set it's self to the flash output AND off camera it is just a burst of un-controllable light that has to triggered?
Thanks

Yes. Its a little more powerful than your popup and you can bounce it which is huge. Off camera it depends on your triggering method. If you have a set of ETTL capable triggers it will function just as it does in the hotshoe. Without a set of those triggers its essentially worthless. It doesnt have an optical slave so it cant work without a trigger off camera. Even if you do use a set of manual triggers it will only fire at full power as it has no manual controls. Its a one trick pony and its not a great trick.

gonzogolf wrote in post #16042269
Yes. Its a little more powerful than your popup and you can bounce it which is huge. Off camera it depends on your triggering method. If you have a set of ETTL capable triggers it will function just as it does in the hotshoe. Without a set of those triggers its essentially worthless. It doesnt have an optical slave so it cant work without a trigger off camera. Even if you do use a set of manual triggers it will only fire at full power as it has no manual controls. Its a one trick pony and its not a great trick.

Thanks a bunch, that is a load off my shoulders understanding the TTL part of the flash, probably have read over it a million times but it just didn't register with me. NOTE to self, Save in, long term memory, Enter.

Thanks to all for your help.