7D mkII. What do you think the specs and price will be?

Yes, yes it does.

I'd be very disappointed if Canon in this day and age didn't include touchscreens, wifi, gps etc. capabilities in their new camera models going forth...

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #17018592
after 5 years of "development time" these would be very minimal improvements

But there are always the issues with diminishing returns - the next 10 years will not see the same progression as the first 10 years of digital cameras did.

And the current cameras are already good enough to be the logical choice to use - any improvements are just the bonus that allows us to push the boundaries a bit further.

andrikos wrote in post #17018683
I'd be very disappointed if Canon in this day and age didn't include touchscreens, wifi, gps etc. capabilities in their new camera models going forth...

I guess that's all good stuff, but fluff as far as I'm concerned. I have to shoot at 3200 - 6400 often at softball games. If they could somehow make 6400 look like 1600 and some better focusing, I'm all in. I guess I don't ask for enough do I??

pwm2 wrote in post #17018723
But there are always the issues with diminishing returns - the next 10 years will not see the same progression as the first 10 years of digital cameras did.

And the current cameras are already good enough to be the logical choice to use - any improvements are just the bonus that allows us to push the boundaries a bit further.

That's very true but Canon does not operate in a vacuum. Minimally I would think that they need to match and hopefully exceed their competition. If all they can muster is an incremental improvement over the current 7D but it still falls short of their competition, this will be a sad update.

pwm2 wrote in post #17018723
But there are always the issues with diminishing returns - the next 10 years will not see the same progression as the first 10 years of digital cameras did.

And the current cameras are already good enough to be the logical choice to use - any improvements are just the bonus that allows us to push the boundaries a bit further.

One word: competition.

"Already good enough" is not good enough, Canon needs to best, or at least match, the other players in this field, or they will lose business.

andrikos wrote in post #17018683
I'd be very disappointed if Canon in this day and age didn't include touchscreens, wifi, gps etc. capabilities in their new camera models going forth...

Yes. No reason to have to pay a huge amount of money for a wifi grip just to be able to remote-control the camera wirelessly or sending in the photos directly to the newspaper. A WiFi memory card is just not as good as a camera that supports two-way WiFi communication.

Given the number of sensors a moderm smartphone contains - even a cheap phone - there shouldn't be a reason why a highend Canon camera should come "fully equipped".

Personally, I would also prefer a hinged LCD to allow the screen to be viewed when the camera is held very low or very high. I don't really think they represent a significantly increased failure point - the ability to tuck in the LCD when transporting the camera should offset any potential extra danger from having a hinged LCD.

gjl711 wrote in post #17018751
That's very true but Canon does not operate in a vacuum. Minimally I would think that they need to match and hopefully exceed their competition. If all they can muster is an incremental improvement over the current 7D but it still falls short of their competition, this will be a sad update.

Yes, they do need to make it a significant step. But 2 stop isn't really a small iterative step if also combined 22MP at 1.6x crop-factor. That is a pixel-size corresponding to a 56MP full-frame camera.

howiewu wrote in post #17018783
One word: competition.

"Already good enough" is not good enough, Canon needs to best, or at least match, the other players in this field, or they will lose business.

Yes - but diminishing returns means that the amount the competitors may overtake each other will be smaller and smaller as the years passes. Until someone makes a revolutionary conceptual change.

pwm2 wrote in post #17018861
Yes, they do need to make it a significant step. But 2 stop isn't really a small iterative step if also combined 22MP at 1.6x crop-factor. That is a pixel-size corresponding to a 56MP full-frame camera.

Yes, I think two stops and 4 more mp's would be a fairly significant step if they also improved the focus and live focus on a crop camera.

hollis_f wrote in post #17018227
Because they believed the rumours current at the time. Certain sites (well, a certain site) attracts readers (and advertising revenue) by posting some rumours repetitively - with a new predicted launch date each time.

With such a lousy track record...

CR tags its rumors with their own reliability rating, and only one rating (CR3) is claimed to be good enough to be "treated as fact."

This means that all of the other tags (CR0 - 2) should NOT be treated as fact.

I just scanned back on their site, and for the last 3 1/2 years, only one 7D replacement rumor was tagged CR3, and that was the one just last week that said the camera would be introduced in September.

If people want to believe CR0 - 2 rumors, treat them as fact, or even use them to compute some kind of "track record", well, fine, but CR themselves tell you to do otherwise.

Rumors are rumors. They are not fact, nor are they prophecies. They are rumors.

I don't mind waiting the 5 yrs it's taken to get a 7D replacement. The 7D was and still is an awesome camera. It's not like the 10D that 5 years later seemed ancient. We are definitely reaching that point of diminishing returns. But as others have said, I do expect that after this length of time and after 2 years or so of sporting an inferior sensor, it's time they bring their sensor up to par if their intent is to remain top dog.

rjharris wrote in post #17018724
I guess that's all good stuff, but fluff as far as I'm concerned. I have to shoot at 3200 - 6400 often at softball games. If they could somehow make 6400 look like 1600 and some better focusing, I'm all in. I guess I don't ask for enough do I??

The 1D X has answered your call. I own one and shoot at 6400 routinely and it looks perfect. Very low noise. Even 12800 ISO looks amazing and I'm not afraid to use that either. I stop using the high ISOs at 25600 and 51200 if I can avoid it, but 25600 does clean up nicely.

pwm2 wrote in post #17018814
Yes. No reason to have to pay a huge amount of money for a wifi grip just to be able to remote-control the camera wirelessly or sending in the photos directly to the newspaper. A WiFi memory card is just not as good as a camera that supports two-way WiFi communication.

Given the number of sensors a moderm smartphone contains - even a cheap phone - there shouldn't be a reason why a highend Canon camera should come "fully equipped".

Personally, I would also prefer a hinged LCD to allow the screen to be viewed when the camera is held very low or very high. I don't really think they represent a significantly increased failure point - the ability to tuck in the LCD when transporting the camera should offset any potential extra danger from having a hinged LCD.

Weather proofing problems is the reason high end cameras don't have hinged LCD screens.

CRCchemist wrote in post #17019365
The 1D X has answered your call. I own one and shoot at 6400 routinely and it looks perfect. Very low noise. Even 12800 ISO looks amazing and I'm not afraid to use that either. I stop using the high ISOs at 25600 and 51200 if I can avoid it, but 25600 does clean up nicely.

So we all have to buy a $6000 camera to have clean high iso capability? Really?