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7D mkII. What do you think the specs and price will be?

 
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Aug 07, 2014 15:10 |  #601

RTPVid wrote in post #17082059 (external link)
Taking of cheap shots at an admitted rumor site is, well, cheap.

CR only "predicts" things when they reach CR3 status. Everything else is for entertainment only. Like this thread.

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Aug 07, 2014 16:06 |  #602

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If you treat CR and their "rating system" as gospel, the joke is on you.

I'm not the one treating it as gospel. It is the critics who are taking shots at it as IF it were gospel...

watt100 wrote in post #17082489 (external link)
it's all entertainment

Exactly.


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Aug 07, 2014 16:20 |  #603

RTPVid wrote in post #17082596 (external link)
I'm not the one treating it as gospel. It is the critics who are taking shots at it as IF it were gospel...

Er, nope.

It's the people who have been selling their 7Ds on the basis of these rumours who seem to be treating it as gospel. It's those people who are in he targets.


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Aug 07, 2014 16:31 |  #604

RTPVid wrote in post #17082596 (external link)
I'm not the one treating it as gospel. It is the critics who are taking shots at it as IF it were gospel...

This is illogical. People "take shots" because they think it is a joke, how are they treating it as gospel? It is those who defend it and even -- laughably -- post a "rating system" that take it as canon (note: no capital C).


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Aug 07, 2014 21:28 as a reply to  @ howiewu's post |  #605

Not sure who's making what points but I spent a long time today reviewing the posts on CR regarding the 1DX, 5DIII and 7DII. Their track record isn't bad at all. The first CR2 mentioned the 7D as being a baby 1DX. The first CR2 prediction on a possible release date was made in May 2013 and even then it said it would be a 2014 camera. In both July and August came additional posts that it would be a 2014 camera. You can't call that a fail until 2015. In November there was a CR2 that said "first half of 2014" so if they release late this month or early next month, it will have been off by a couple months at most. And even then, it's a CR2, not a CR3. In July the first CR3 on the 7DII was posted and it said the NDA for the 7D replacement will expire in early september. There wouldn't be an NDA for the 7D replacement if such a thing didn't exist.

Going back to the 5DIII, there was only one CR3 about the release date as well. It was on Feb 22 and had a short list of specs. And it said the mkIII would be announced on March 2. On March 2, Canon issued the press release announcing the 5D mkIII.

If you keep going back you'll see that have an excellent track record regarding the things they put a CR3 on. And CR2s are fairly accurate in a general sense more often than not, but get a few details wrong.

That's not to say it's to be taken as gospel. I sure wouldn't make a buying or selling decision based on it. But I would certainly make a "don't jump ship to another system yet" decision based on it.


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Aug 08, 2014 08:41 |  #606

howiewu wrote in post #17082640 (external link)
This is illogical. People "take shots" because they think it is a joke, how are they treating it as gospel? It is those who defend it and even -- laughably -- post a "rating system" that take it as canon (note: no capital C).

If it is merely entertainment, taking shots at how many "predictions" it missed is what is illogical. Before you can criticize its "missed predictions", there needs to be SOME basis for actually calling them "predictions", doesn't there?


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Aug 08, 2014 08:43 |  #607

hollis_f wrote in post #17082621 (external link)
Er, nope.

It's the people who have been selling their 7Ds on the basis of these rumours who seem to be treating it as gospel. It's those people who are in he targets.

Er, what? Is anyone doing that?


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Aug 08, 2014 08:44 |  #608

kfreels wrote in post #17083175 (external link)
Not sure who's making what points but I spent a long time today reviewing the posts on CR regarding the 1DX, 5DIII and 7DII. Their track record isn't bad at all. The first CR2 mentioned the 7D as being a baby 1DX. The first CR2 prediction on a possible release date was made in May 2013 and even then it said it would be a 2014 camera. In both July and August came additional posts that it would be a 2014 camera. You can't call that a fail until 2015. In November there was a CR2 that said "first half of 2014" so if they release late this month or early next month, it will have been off by a couple months at most. And even then, it's a CR2, not a CR3. In July the first CR3 on the 7DII was posted and it said the NDA for the 7D replacement will expire in early september. There wouldn't be an NDA for the 7D replacement if such a thing didn't exist.

Going back to the 5DIII, there was only one CR3 about the release date as well. It was on Feb 22 and had a short list of specs. And it said the mkIII would be announced on March 2. On March 2, Canon issued the press release announcing the 5D mkIII.

If you keep going back you'll see that have an excellent track record regarding the things they put a CR3 on. And CR2s are fairly accurate in a general sense more often than not, but get a few details wrong.

That's not to say it's to be taken as gospel. I sure wouldn't make a buying or selling decision based on it. But I would certainly make a "don't jump ship to another system yet" decision based on it.

Yup.


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Aug 08, 2014 11:01 |  #609

RTPVid wrote in post #17083813 (external link)
Er, what? Is anyone doing that?

Yeah. They have trying to get in before the used market is flooded. Kinda sad.




  
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Aug 08, 2014 12:00 |  #610

7D used market is already flooded. I've never seen so many 7Ds for sale. I'd guess the body will soon sell for $500 - 550.


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Aug 08, 2014 12:41 |  #611

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7D used market is already flooded. I've never seen so many 7Ds for sale. I'd guess the body will soon sell for $500 - 550.

I doubt it. They should stabilize around $650-$700. I don't think the driver of that was Canon Rumors. I think it was a panic sale caused when Canon dropped their refurb price to $719. Since then it went back up to $839. If anyone is dumb enough to sell a good 7D for $500 though, I'll buy it just to have an extra I can resell later and make a hundred bucks.


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Aug 08, 2014 13:04 |  #612

I hope you're right! :)


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Aug 31, 2014 08:32 |  #613

kfreels wrote in post #17084263 (external link)
I doubt it. They should stabilize around $650-$700. I don't think the driver of that was Canon Rumors. I think it was a panic sale caused when Canon dropped their refurb price to $719. Since then it went back up to $839. If anyone is dumb enough to sell a good 7D for $500 though, I'll buy it just to have an extra I can resell later and make a hundred bucks.

Agreed.
The 7D is too good of a camera for its price to collapse beyond this level.
For the time being that is...


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Aug 31, 2014 09:07 |  #614

kfreels wrote in post #17083175 (external link)
Not sure who's making what points but I spent a long time today reviewing the posts on CR regarding the 1DX, 5DIII and 7DII. Their track record isn't bad at all. The first CR2 mentioned the 7D as being a baby 1DX. The first CR2 prediction on a possible release date was made in May 2013 and even then it said it would be a 2014 camera. In both July and August came additional posts that it would be a 2014 camera. You can't call that a fail until 2015. In November there was a CR2 that said "first half of 2014" so if they release late this month or early next month, it will have been off by a couple months at most. And even then, it's a CR2, not a CR3. In July the first CR3 on the 7DII was posted and it said the NDA for the 7D replacement will expire in early september. There wouldn't be an NDA for the 7D replacement if such a thing didn't exist.

...

That's a lot of hard research among gossip, and the CR guy will be grateful for the couple 100 clicks he got.




  
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Aug 31, 2014 10:12 |  #615

andrikos wrote in post #17127539 (external link)
The 7D is too good of a camera for its price to collapse beyond this level.
For the time being that is...

and then right after the time being .... further price collapse




  
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