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Dec 08, 2012 12:35 |  #1

I shot a little last weekend with a friend's 5DIII using my 35L and the field of view is something I want to emulate on my 7D for street photography.

Obviously the 35L becomes a lot longer on my 7D which is fine but ~20mm on my 15-85 seems to get me close to where I want to be, I just need something faster for evenings and low light where my flash is not an option.

Is there a clear winner in this range for a fast prime? The 24L immediately comes to mind but I'd prefer be a tad wider and faster than f2.8 if that's even possible. :)


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Dec 08, 2012 13:02 |  #2

Canon EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM (external link)

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Dec 08, 2012 13:04 |  #3

yeah I'm thinking the 24L might be the best option. I've been reading on the 20mm 2.8, but it doesn't seem to get very good reviews anywhere.


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Dec 08, 2012 13:11 |  #4

I'm fairly certain that the 24L II is the best available option for wide and fast right now. Here is all I can think of at 2.0 and faster.

Zeiss 25/2
Canon 28 1.8
Sigma 20 1.8
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Rokinon/Samyang/Bower 24 1.4
Sigma 24 1.8
Sigma 28 1.8

Only the Sigma 20/1.8 beats the 24L II in the width-speed relative ratio. IQ may be another story though.


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Dec 08, 2012 13:18 |  #5

the Sigma seems to have soft corners even on a crop sensor, so I ruled that one out also. :(

I should've never put the 35L on a FF camera. I really enjoyed perspective it gave...


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Dec 08, 2012 13:34 |  #6

Stone 13 wrote in post #15342038 (external link)
I should've never put the 35L on a FF camera. I really enjoyed perspective it gave...

When I needed/wanted to go wide, I went FF as, like you, I already had good glass. 6D?




  
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Dec 08, 2012 13:38 |  #7

The Canon EF 20/2.8 isn't terribly wide on a 7D, but personally I think it's a very nice lens. This is on a 50D with B+W Kaesemann C-Pol filter...

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On a crop camera, the 20/2.8 pretty closely emulates a 35mm lens on full frame. Maybe that's why I like it on both crop and full frame. I've always been a fan of 35-40mm on film/full frame.

I don't know why there are bad reviews. As far as I'm concerned it's a fine lens. I also like 20mm on full frame and find the EF 20/2.8 to be pretty well corrected (much better than some 20mm/21mm lenses I used in the past). These two shots are done using it on 5DII, both also with the C-Pol...

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Maybe the reason the 20/2.8 gets panned is because it's about equal image quality to the 17-40/4L and 16-36/2.8L II, both of which give the convenience of zooms.

If you need a bigger aperture, there are the Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8... I've heard/read a lot more problems with them (slow focus, softness in some areas of the image), than with the Canon 20mm. Both these Sigmas are also pretty hefty lenses (the Canon 20mm isn't small, but not as large or heavy as the Sigmas).

The Canon 24/2.8 is a very sharp, light, small lens. Relatively inexpensive, too... It doesn't have USM, though.

There are the new Canon EF 24/2.8 IS and 28/2.8 IS... Both of which are STM lenses, but they're pretty expensive. Approx. double the price, to get IS and better focus than a micro motor.

Canon EF 28/1.8 is a good, bigger aperture, quite compact, fast-focusing USM lens... but it's not very wide on a crop camera there's not much difference between it and the 35/1.4's focal length.

The 24/1.4L is fairly sizeable and heavy, not to mention quite expensive for a lens that's only slightly wide on a crop camera.

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Dec 08, 2012 13:42 |  #8

24 is just like 35 on full frame. I love the 24L on my 60D.


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Dec 08, 2012 14:18 |  #9

why not swap your 7D for a 5D II?


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Dec 08, 2012 14:43 |  #10

I've also always been very pleased with my EF 20mm f/2.8 USM. It may not test well on flat test charts at close range due to a somewhat curved plane of best focus but in real life normal pictures, it seems to work very well. Focus is quick with ring USM and FTM and the lens is very compact compared to f/2.8 zooms that include 20mm. Barrel distortion is mild and corrects well with Canon DPP or DxO Optics Pro which also corrects the bit of chromatic aberration. These lenses are good bargains used as they seem to go fairly cheaply compared to their retail price.


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Dec 08, 2012 14:49 |  #11

Tommydigi wrote in post #15342111 (external link)
24 is just like 35 on full frame. I love the 24L on my 60D.

closer to 40mm actually but i think i see what you are saying :D.


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Dec 08, 2012 15:38 |  #12

Whatever it is the 24LII is awesome. Full frame or crop


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Dec 08, 2012 15:51 |  #13

I'm eyeing the 24L II or the samyang 24mm f/1.4 (if you want something cheaper).


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Dec 08, 2012 17:01 |  #14

amfoto1 wrote in post #15342101 (external link)
The Canon EF 20/2.8 isn't terribly wide on a 7D, but personally I think it's a very nice lens. This is on a 50D with B+W Kaesemann C-Pol filter...

Those are great shots and I'll definitely give that lens some consideration. I think my local shop has it in stock so I'll give it a hands on.

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why not swap your 7D for a 5D II?

Both of my daughters are athletes and I love the performance of my 7D in those situations. Don't think I could part with it unless I went 5DIII or better. Ultimately that's what I'll end up doing, I just don't feel like I'm ready to upgrade yet.

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I've also always been very pleased with my EF 20mm f/2.8 USM. It may not test well on flat test charts at close range due to a somewhat curved plane of best focus but in real life normal pictures, it seems to work very well. Focus is quick with ring USM and FTM and the lens is very compact compared to f/2.8 zooms that include 20mm. Barrel distortion is mild and corrects well with Canon DPP or DxO Optics Pro which also corrects the bit of chromatic aberration. These lenses are good bargains used as they seem to go fairly cheaply compared to their retail price.

thanks, I'm going to try and shoot with a copy next weekend. Cheaper is certainly better. :)


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Dec 08, 2012 18:17 as a reply to  @ Stone 13's post |  #15

Everyone else seems to hate it, but I'm really really impressed with my EF 24 f/2.8 IS USM. It's a brilliant focal length on crop. Sharp wide open, and the colour rendition is fantastic. AF is very fast and accurate. People hate on it 'cause thye think it's slow at f/2.8, but how many fast moving subjects are you going to shoot with a 24mm lens where the IS is not going to work for you? Hasn't happened to me yet. Worth a look.




  
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