T3i vs t4i vs 60D

mwsilver wrote in post #15353071
Agree 100%

I disagree and I was thinking the same thing as I picked up my T4i. I liked the concept of a new camera with updated electronics.

kenshap wrote in post #15353143
I disagree and I was thinking the same thing as I picked up my T4i. I liked the concept of a new camera with updated electronics.

I liked the concept of newer electronics to but I couldn't justify that while hating the T4i's tiny viewfinder and smaller size. The 60D just felt better to me and according to several members here who own both cameras, it's hard very to tell the difference in image quality between the two. The 60D sale right now for $699 with a free bag and memory card at B&H. I'm a newb and I won't outgrow the 60D until a 90D is introduced...lol

For anyone wanting touch-screen focus with a non-touch screen camera...
http://dslrcontroller.​com/

better than buying a new camera or waiting :P

Honestly IQ and AF will be the same pretty much. It comes down to ergos. I had a T1i and the back dial, top LCD, battery, and larger buffer are the game changers. Yes, you can extend the battery life of the Rebel when using a grip but the LP-E6 batteries are 1500 shots each which are perfect especially when shooting video.

One thing to consider when using AF and video. If you are limited to keeping your subject on an AF point, you may limit your creativity in framing. Manual focus with a hood loupe is much easier and let's you lock focus where you want it. There's a reason why Hollywood studios cameras are manual focus.

The Rebel with the T1i with a grip felt good and although I have a grip for the 60D, I don't like it when shooting video strangely enough. Balance seems off when shooting video.

SVT Wylde wrote in post #15353280
I liked the concept of newer electronics to but I couldn't justify that while hating the T4i's tiny viewfinder and smaller size. The 60D just felt better to me and according to several members here who own both cameras, it's hard very to tell the difference in image quality between the two. The 60D sale right now for $699 with a free bag and memory card at B&H. I'm a newb and I won't outgrow the 60D until a 90D is introduced...lol

I played around with the 60d in a store. The viewfinder is slightly better but not enough to justify getting the older 60d over the newer t4i...especially when the t4i is equipped with the batter grip. I'm a relative noob also, the t4i is better than me...but I clearly won't take any better pictures with the 60d, 7d or 1dx. Although with the 1dx I can shoot crappy shots faster.

kenshap wrote in post #15353143
I disagree and I was thinking the same thing as I picked up my T4i. I liked the concept of a new camera with updated electronics.

In that case would you choose a T4i over a 7D as a better choice for photography? The 7D is older than the 60D. Or a 5D markII? There is more to camera functionality than the latest electronics. Several of the new features in the T4i are just toys. The better controls, size, 1/3:stop ISO, and better viewfinder, among other things, makes the 60D more usable and flexible for general photography than any of the rebels.

flowrider wrote in post #15353495
Honestly IQ and AF will be the same pretty much. It comes down to ergos. I had a T1i and the back dial, top LCD, battery, and larger buffer are the game changers.

^ This. My vote is the 60D but it's really best if you just go in store and handle both to see what you like the feel of better.

The STM on the T4i isn't worth it unless you do a bunch of video and even then it is still hit and miss. I wouldn't pick the T4i over the 60D just to get touchscreen either, but that is just me.

flowrider wrote in post #15353495
Honestly IQ and AF will be the same pretty much. It comes down to ergos. I had a T1i and the back dial, top LCD, battery, and larger buffer are the game changers. Yes, you can extend the battery life of the Rebel when using a grip but the LP-E6 batteries are 1500 shots each which are perfect especially when shooting video.

One thing to consider when using AF and video. If you are limited to keeping your subject on an AF point, you may limit your creativity in framing. Manual focus with a hood loupe is much easier and let's you lock focus where you want it. There's a reason why Hollywood studios cameras are manual focus.

The Rebel with the T1i with a grip felt good and although I have a grip for the 60D, I don't like it when shooting video strangely enough. Balance seems off when shooting video.

According to a recent comparative test by Lens Rentals, The T4i AF is significantly better than the 60D: http://www.lensrentals​.com …ity-part-3b-canon-cameras
And, in testing at The Digital Picture, the T4i takes sharper photos: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …al-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx
There is a lot to be said for the newer technology in the T4i!

No contest 60D. I have used Rebels for years and love them, but the 60D is in a league of its own and cannot be quantified in specifications alone, its just how the camera feels in hand, design, layout, the performance which is virtually instant in every regard. Its a camera that feels mature and connects with the photographer in ways the rebel line cannot, my only regret is not buying it sooner . i dont miss shots, I dont have OOF shots, I get the shot each and every time thanks to this body.

Do you guys think I would be necessarily 'disappointed' with the 60D's video performance or is it pretty stellar? I'm going to get off the fence tonight, i swear!

Now if going with a 60D, I've found two kits - one with a 18-135 IS and the other with a18-200 IS. Same price (1099 CAD). Preference for an all around lens??

The T4i is with the 18-135 STM for (799 CAD)

Braddock54 wrote in post #15355669
Do you guys think I would be necessarily 'disappointed' with the 60D's video performance or is it pretty stellar? I'm going to get off the fence tonight, i swear!

Now if going with a 60D, I've found two kits - one with a 18-135 IS and the other with a18-200 IS. Same price (1099 CAD). Preference for an all around lens??

The T4i is with the 18-135 STM for (799 CAD)

The video on the 60D is spectacular if you use a good lens. Hope you realize that full hi def video on a dSLR is limited to 12 minute clips. The new higher end dSLRs like the 5D III automatically start new files after 12 minutes, but lower level camera bodies don't. You need to restart yourself.

That's plenty for me! Are these good lenses for video? It's not my primary concern but do I want the ability to take good video.

The 60D has one other feature that is seldom mentioned - User Selected Mode.

You can set your camera up with the various parameters you desire in shooting a specific type of shot, register these parameters to the camera, and then select all the parameters with one twist of the mode dial.

I use a 7D which has three User Selected Modes. I usually have the camera set up for still subjects but, I have the C1 mode set up for moving subjects with burst mode, AI Servo AF, and other various focusing and exposure parameters I like to use. So when shooting a still subject, when I need to switch parameters to shoot a moving subject, it is simply a twist of the mode dial to get all the parameters set up!

This is a great time saver and I have often managed shots that I would not have normally gotten if my camera was set up for still shots and along came a fast moving subject.

Sure, the three User Selected Modes (40D = 3, 50D = 2 and 60D = 1) is better than one, but one sure as heck is better than none!

Additionally, although the Rebel line of cameras is capable of excellent imagery, I like the xxD and 7D cameras much better due to their control and viewing systems...

Braddock54 wrote in post #15355798
That's plenty for me! Are these good lenses for video? It's not my primary concern but do I want the ability to take good video.

Never owned the 18-135, but i have taken excellent videos with the 18-200mm. You'll want to focus in manual mode. AF does not work well for videos, and both those lenses have noisy auto focus. While neither of those lenses is a superstar, the wide end distortion and chromatic aberration of the 18-135 may be a bit lower, but the 18-200 will give you a longer reach. The 18-200 usually develops a lot of zoom creep, but there is a lens lock at 18mm. I think build quality is similar Its a trade off.

The 60D is a fantastic camera which has a great set of functions, great build quality and great ergonomics. With the rear dial and top screen it makes it very easy to use and if you've already got a similar body that's definitely the way to go.

However, the T4i (650D) has better ISO performance, good AF performance, similar other specs to the 60D, very good video functions and the touchscreen is excellent on it but it can be disabled if you prefer to use the buttons. If you're already used to the similar body shape then the 650D is a great upgrade and will serve you well. I bought one for my wife to update her T2i (550D) and she loves it and gets some top quality photos from it. She has the 40mm f2.8 STM lens and it's a great performer for video and stills and the 18-1.35 STM does look much better than the non STM lens. It only goes to 1/4000 shutter speed but in the real world there isn't many times when I've needed to go beyond that. I've got a 5D3 and 7D and I've only gone beyond around the 1/2000 mark a few times.

I'd personally discount the T3i (600D) as either the 60D or the 650D are much better specced cameras and are both very good performers. I recently swapped my 60D for a 7D primarily for the better AF performance, but IMO the photos of both the 60D and the 650D are better and less noisy when SOOC.