Canon T4i or Canon 6D for travel, landscape, street portrait & street photography

KhanhD wrote in post #15354903
Huh? 10-22 on crop has a FOV of 16-35.2mm on FF. 28mm on FF is "much longer" than that.

If you note; 28mm on the FF is right in the range of the 10-22 on crop (28mm is between 16 and 35), that's the FOV he was looking for from the 10-22; not the 10(16)mm side.

KhanhD wrote in post #15354903
Huh? 10-22 on crop has a FOV of 16-35.2mm on FF. 28mm on FF is "much longer" than that.

28mm is much longer than 16mm yes... The whole point of the 10-22 is its ultra-wide capabilities. You don't buy it to use it constantly at 17-22mm...

*Technically* yes the 10-22 (on crop) is longer than 28mm (ff) from 17.5mm+, but that's not the point I was making...

I don't think that Canon was competing with itself- I think it was trying to maximize profits.. And that they depend upon euphoria about a new camera release as much as we expect improvements..
Look at their lineup released this year and why - and you will have a better understanding of their motives...
First - the 5D3 - eagerly awaited upgrade from the 5D2.. Expensive- but targeted a larger user base- and I think they were actually competing with Nikon - trying to beat them out of the gate ( timewise- not featurewise ). They probably also increased lens sales with this camera as well- as users with EF-S now forced to upgrade...
Then came the 1DX.. Targets a much smaller crowd..
Then the T4i- targeting new users that could not or would not afford one of the pricier options...
Then the 6D- for those that wanted full frame but don't want to afford the latest & greatest... Still a win for Canon- because it will probably spur more EF lens sales too as users upgrade their EF-S lenses... Just in time for Christmas too..
Most new camera owners won't afford a 1DX- too pricey for most.. The 5D3 was priced a bit higher initially- because Canon knows that if the user can get the latest and greatest- in their hands- they will pay the premium.. IF this is the new owner's first full frame- it also spurs EF lens sales- like the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II... The order of release was important for Canon- on several levels.. 1- they had to beat Nikon out the door- get the 5D3's onto the shelves.. 2- New owners, to Canon, represents locking the owners into Canon and also represent future pricier EF lens sales- whether it be multiple EF prime lenses or EF zoom lenses although they really want to sell L lenses...
Had the cheaper options been released first- it would have been self defeating- if a guy or gal just bought a T4i - they would be unlikely for them to buy a 5D3 a few months later.. Stalling the full frame rebel ( 6D ) till just before christmas- encouraged sales of 5D3's. Had the 6D came out first- far fewer 5D3's probably would have been sold.. Had the t4i been released first- more T4i's would have been sold- but far fewer full frame bodies would have been sold.. So, Canon needed to get the order straight - first- to maximize their overall sales.. They would not have released the 6D first- self defeating.. They would not have released the 6D before the T4i- again- because they wanted those that were thinking about full frame- and giving them time to buy the 5D3 first- maximizing 5D3 sales... It was carefully orchestrated- if you think about it. Canon knows euphoria about a new camera release drives sales.. Get as many out there when they release the camera- and they sell more at the higher prices... Get them out too slowly- and sales droop- or worse- your potential customers go to other brands- like Nikon. When the euphoria drops some- there goes sales... It's almost like making the winning bid on E-Bay. Yep- you can pay more than you should have- but you won or you feel like you did...

So, which Rebel should you get.. If you are shooting portraits at night- the 6D probably represents the better value.. During daylight- less differences.. You already understand the DOF differences.. If you've already been drinking the FF kool-aid- then get the 6D and be done with it. Save your self a few hassles... Either will be fine- starting out.. The t4i might be cheaper - or look deceivingly so. Reality- neither is a cheap road to go down- just that the 6D will give you a bit more capabilities and bells and whistles to play with. ( I like the idea of the remote app - especially for street... ).

Go with 6d , full frame and don't look back
For street photography it is the only way to fly
The low light performance is astounding (I came from a 50d) and your lenses never looked so good!

Learn from my lesson, I had the T4i and loved it. It's low light, high iso performance limited my needs. I saved up, sold my T4i and bought the 6D. It is simply amazing. Please skip the T4i and buy the 6D. Also not the 24mm on Full Frame is the same as 15mm on the T4i
It fits perfectly as a wide angle on the 6D.

3armdave wrote in post #16274930
Go with 6d , full frame and don't look back
For street photography it is the only way to fly
The low light performance is astounding (I came from a 50d) and your lenses never looked so good!

Agreed! The 6D and my new 40mm stm is my favorite street shooter. With my 50 1.4 ready for a shallower DOF.

The 24L II is great for closeups and landscapes. f 1.4 - f 10.0

I've shot both and own the 6D. I find the 6D with the 24-105 f4 is sharp enough for everything most people shoot. If you want prime quality sharpness grab the 24-70 mkii as it's insane for sharpness. I spent the weekend shooting landscapes at night using ISO 12800 and ISO 25600; it's very impressive at high ISO.