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Dec 15, 2012 10:38 |  #16

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Wedding eh?? ;-)a

Well working with a grand if you buy a decent wireless combo you will only have about $400 left which is enough to add a recorder such as the H4, which I not being a fan of Zoom products would not recommend, instead preferring a similar Tascam product such as the DR-40 or DR-100mkII.

And if you shop right you will still have about $100 left over which is enough to pick up a used name brand lav or two from e-Bay.

That combo will give you two good but disparate audio channels, one back to the camera and the other the DR and a lot of flexibility.

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Dec 16, 2012 09:23 |  #17

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Wedding eh?? ;-)a

Well working with a grand if you buy a decent wireless combo you will only have about $400 left which is enough to add a recorder such as the H4, which I not being a fan of Zoom products would not recommend, instead preferring a similar Tascam product such as the DR-40 or DR-100mkII.

And if you shop right you will still have about $100 left over which is enough to pick up a used name brand lav or two from e-Bay.

That combo will give you two good but disparate audio channels, one back to the camera and the other the DR and a lot of flexibility.

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Wayne, if I need to expand it I can as long as I can justify it, how is the tascam?


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Dec 16, 2012 10:43 |  #18

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Wayne, if I need to expand it I can as long as I can justify it, how is the tascam?

I like the DR-100’s, they are fairly rugged little units which have in my opinion a considerable better analog front end compared to the H4N, the DR-100 also has a neat power feature that allows one to use dry cells as a backup for the rechargeable battery allowing if needed a swap-out of the rechargeable or dry cells without shutting the unit down.

The only downside I have found is the microphones on the Tascam just like the H4N are too easily broken even with the little guardrails that Tascam wraps them with, it doesn’t take much more than a crash to the floor to get them unmoored and a missed catch of a backstage toss will do the job every time.

Another problem with them, just like wireless gear, is they can be easily slipped into a pocket, that is to say a pocket other than yours, just this year alone we had a DR-100 grow legs and know of a reporter for NPR who had his walk away at a Congressional meeting with cops standing everywhere.

As such and I recommend this for everyone, if you are going to deploy un-attended high ticket gear mark it up good by etching your name and number into the case and battery cover and then decorate it as much as possible it with day-glo marker paint or gaffers tape.

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Dec 17, 2012 13:36 |  #19

You can put a lav mic on the officiant/reverend/pri​est... The bride/groom is usually close enough at the time of the vows... make sure to tell them to speak up, take their time, and try to add emotion and pause for affect. Not only will it make great audio, the audience will appreciate it as well.

The tough part is the speeches. You won't likely be able to pass around a lav mic to 3 or 4 people speaking. You may be able to tap into the DJ's audio if they are supplying the microphone which they usually do. If not, you may have to use the shotgun mic. You will want to put the recorder and shotgun mic in a spot that will be farthest away from guests but still have good audio... perhaps a speaker in the back?


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Dec 18, 2012 15:55 |  #20

The Zoom H4n does have 4 channels of audio it can record, but only two of them are from external sources. same with the DR-100. I like the Tascam products more than the Zoom. They have less self induced noise (noise floor) than the Zoom products. I have had a DR-100 for a long time now and it has seen some serious work. It spent a day taped to the coal tender of a late 1800's train and recorded perfectly on a set of lithium AA batteries and its internal rechargeable battery. It also got rained on and was still recording after a 6 hour shoot. Now it is a bit big and bulky, but it does so many more things better than the H4n I can deal with the increased size.

Now with only a budget of $1000 you are going to be hard pressed to get a great audio set up. I personally like good wireless systems as I use them every day I work, but with your budget in mind its going to be tough to find a pair of wireless and get a recorder too. But there are places to look for quality, good used gear. The place I have spent a ton of money at and they are good folks is Trew Audio WWW.trewaudio.com (external link) They have a consignment section there that has all sorts of good used gear. try to find some Sennhieser G2 wireless units or even a pair of Lectrosonics used VHF or UHF transmitters and receivers. Often times they will come with a lab mic in the package. But agai , even used gear is going to set you back a good amount of money. so be prepared to open up your wallet a bit wider. There is a lot of crap audio gear out there on eBay that you should stay away from. Stay with the known brand names like Share, Sennhieser, Audio Technical, Lectrosonics and others. They will cost more, but in the end you will be happier and spend less.

The cheaper idea of using lavs and Zoom H1s isn't a bad idea. But you will have to keep track of all that gear and sync it later in post. That could be your best answer for staying under budget. The H1 will be noiser than any other recorder and you won't be able to hear it to make corrections if you get a lot of clothes noise or rubbing on the mic. Kind of a disaster if that's all you get and you only find out until after the wedding and reception is over. This is where a wireless system can save you. At least if you listen in you can make corrections possibly.

Also, I wouldn't totally abandon the sound you can record on your camera. Having a directional shotgun on the camera can prove useful in some situations. It won't be your front line audio, but it can help when the recorder and lavs are too much or too slow. You should have a mic on camera just to help capture those moments that you can't be ready for with the recorder. A camera mounted mic will also help you with just gathering ambient sound that maybe the lavs can't or won't be able to. Its just another track or two of audio that shouldn't be thrown away. It can also help in post with syncing. where the built in camera mic might not gather enough clean sound, a camera mounted shotgun will reach out and get sounds that other mics won't be able to.

I've done proffesional audio for 18 or so years. I've been apart of a lot of different TV shows and been in a lot of different audio and micing situations. I even worked on a show for TLC called, "A Wedding Story." Not an easy show to shoot or work on as an audio person. Sometimes brides turn from normal humans into these raging Bridezillas and scream at everyone, especially people trying to put mics on their ill fitting wedding dress. Just wash your hands before you attempt to do that. Leaving a smudge on a white wedding dress will get you killed. Weddings are probably one of the tougher ones to do right and well. Good luck!


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Dec 20, 2012 17:47 |  #21

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The place I have spent a ton of money at and they are good folks is Trew Audio WWW.trewaudio.com (external link)

Wow, they carry AudioTechnica...

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Dec 21, 2012 02:30 |  #22

Yeah Wayne, they even dip into the shallow end of the audio pool with AT stuff.


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Dec 21, 2012 05:09 |  #23

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Yeah Wayne, they even dip into the shallow end of the audio pool with AT stuff.

Yup just like the Senns, only the AT's have a metal case. ;-)a

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Jan 24, 2013 22:05 |  #24

Ok so i'm back at it again after a long break at Texas, so here is the list so far:

Tascam DR-100mkII On-Camera DSLR Audio Kit
Manfrotto Fluid Video Monopod W/Head
Rode NTG-2 Condenser Shotgun Microphone Kit
Audio-Technica ATR3350 Omnidirectional Condenser Lavalier Microphone
Kinotehnik LCDVF3C 3.2" LCD Viewfinder for Canon DSLR Cameras
Vidpro Varicolor 312-Bulb Video and Photo LED Light Kit

I want to add a wireless or two in their if I can, my budget is +/-200ish from 1500.

Any other Ideas here? thanks again to all that have helped and are helping!

Should I drop the AT for the rode lavi mics instead?


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Jan 25, 2013 15:54 |  #25

Please...No ZOOM!

If you want Professional Quality sound with the BEST of the BEST PRE-AMPS...
Get yourself the Tascam DR-100 MARK II
http://tascam.com/prod​uct/dr-100mkii/ (external link)

Review this product on youtube..
You will see that it is one of the best
because of it's Quality PRE-AMPS!

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Jan 25, 2013 16:08 |  #26

DreamMaker23 wrote in post #15533405 (external link)
Please...No ZOOM!

If you want Professional Quality sound with the BEST of the BEST PRE-AMPS...
Get yourself the Tascam DR-100 MARK II
http://tascam.com/prod​uct/dr-100mkii/ (external link)

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lol def wouldnt call them the "Best of the best" pre-amps or even "professional" for that matter, not even by a long shot, BUT the Tascam is a by far much better unit all around from the Zoom Youre def right on that one!


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Jan 25, 2013 17:52 |  #27

Based on your limited information. my priorities would be:

1) LCD viewfinder, Manfroto monopod, and LED light for your main camera.
2) Tripod and super clamp for the second camera wide angle views.
3) Audio Recorder w Lavalier or shotgun mic for vows, speeches, etc
4) Shotgun for main camera such as Rode
5) Macro or long lens for closeups of rings, flowers, decorations, etc
6) Follow focus for main camera
7) Secured and locking large camera bag.


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Jan 25, 2013 18:03 |  #28

seoul4korea wrote in post #15362452 (external link)
After doing some reading i've shifted my needs and found that Audio is the most important aspect of video work so I want to address that issue first.

its normal to most newcomers to overlook audio. but honestly the worst thing that most people do is also overlook the other half of video and thats the picture. but im not referring to camera or lenses but lights. dont forget that without nice light it doesnt matter if you have a properly exposed image when the light isnt very flattering to your subject ;)




  
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Jan 25, 2013 18:15 |  #29

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its normal to most newcomers to overlook audio. but honestly the worst thing that most people do is also overlook the other half of video and thats the picture.

I respectfully disagree, audio is what makes a video, I don't care how good one can produce a video, if the audio is sub-par, the whole thing crashes.

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Jan 26, 2013 00:11 |  #30

I just found out today that the wedding will be out side on a small deck before sun set so I'm hoping lighting won't be an issue.


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