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Dec 18, 2012 09:17 |  #1

I have just started to use 2 flash off camera to try portraits of my daughter. I use the 430 and a Jessops flash, through an umbrella and i bare, all at various settings. The photo was taken at ISO 400,1/10 and f4 on a 70-200l. both flashes went off yet it is still dark. My question is, how do i get to a good shutter speed, around 1/100 and the light to be acceptable indoors. The ambient is quite dark, so is it ISO, hence noise, or am i missing sync somewhere between the flash and the shutter?
The flash seems poweful enough yet the pictures all come out dark unless you decrease the shutter speed, or increase ISO which defeats the object no? I have read Strobists, but i still cant figure out why that amount of flash light does not correspond to the final image, unless it is shutter speed therefore more ambient and tripod.

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Dec 18, 2012 10:05 |  #2

Those camera settings seem to me would be exposing for the ambient light. What method are you using to trigger the flashes? If you take a picture of the flashes, does the light appear in the picture? (Ie. the flash heads shining up.)


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Dec 18, 2012 10:22 |  #3

I am using ebay triggers, they do go off, can they be going off after the exposure? Or before? Any tricks i am missing.


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Dec 18, 2012 11:03 |  #4

Take a shot with the flashes on and one with the flashes off with the same camera settings and see if there is a difference. It has to be that the flashes aren't syncing with the camera because there is no flash in the image you posted. I would be looking at the trigger/receiver setup.


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Dec 18, 2012 11:10 |  #5

You dont have the 430ex set to slave mode do you?




  
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Dec 18, 2012 11:21 |  #6

No, it does go off as does the Jessops, Might be a sync issue, going to try the tip in a while. Anybody got tips about how to correct the sync problem?


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Dec 18, 2012 11:24 |  #7

Dannybegood wrote in post #15381530 (external link)
No, it does go off as does the Jessops, Might be a sync issue, going to try the tip in a while. Anybody got tips about how to correct the sync problem?

Did you put fresh batteries in the triggers when you got them? The old ones shipped with demo batteries that had just enough power to function, but barely. Which ebay triggers are you using?




  
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Dec 18, 2012 11:29 |  #8

Looks like a sync issue to me as well - I would troubleshoot with the 430EX alone first before adding the second flash back in.


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Dec 18, 2012 11:30 |  #9

Is the transmitter firmly seated in your cameras hotshoe and are the contacts on both the hotshoe and transmitter clean and free of debris?


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Dec 18, 2012 11:43 |  #10

Right tried the on board trigger via the 60d works great, then tried single 430 via transmitter, again dark. http://www.ebay.co.uk …rx+&_trksid=p51​97.c0.m627 (external link) using these, worked when i first got it now not. can they be fixed or just get the 622c? PS new batteries in flash and tiggers.


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Dec 18, 2012 11:50 |  #11

Never heard of those ones, the only thing I would attempt from here is playing with the different frequency settings to see if that helps.


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Dec 18, 2012 23:26 |  #12

You're not shooting in aperture priority are you? The flash output will be greatly reduced in Av as the camera still meters for ambient and flashes will only be fill.

If you're shooting in manual, then it sure seems like something's out of sync... As others suggested, try to take a picture of the flash with the head angled toward the lens to see if you can see the flash in the picture.


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Dec 18, 2012 23:30 |  #13

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You're not shooting in aperture priority are you? The flash output will be greatly reduced in Av as the camera still meters for ambient and flashes will only be fill.

If you're shooting in manual, then it sure seems like something's out of sync... As others suggested, try to take a picture of the flash with the head angled toward the lens to see if you can see the flash in the picture.

Av and "fill flash" are only relevent if the shot was accomplished in ETTL.
Since the OP is using sync only triggers its unlikely he is attempting ETTL.
If he is, that is probably the cause of the problem.


Looking at the images, its apparent that the flash(es) are not firing.
Either its a sync issue or you are somehow firing the flash units when the pre-flash is intended.
Or, your triggers are out of sync.

Do some trouble shooting. Remember the fundamental rule for trouble shooting is change only ONE thing at a time.


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Dec 19, 2012 01:36 |  #14

I have narrowed it down to a sync issue, i used the on board ettl trigger on the 430 i got the flash in the picture. I tried all modes and both flashes set to M was not trying ETTL with cheap triggers. Dark again. Now need to know how to re sync the triggers.


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