New 1DmkII-N or used 1DmkII

I'm debating whether to upgrade my 20D to the 5D or 1DmkII <<Here>>

So as not to hijack my own post, and because I haven't seen this discussed, I thought I'd create a new thread...

Is the 1DmkII-N worth about $1,000-$1,200 more than a used 1DmkII? I've seen the 1DmkII running about $2,800 - $3,000 for a used one with shutter actuations generally less than 25K, whereas a new "N" is still firmly at $3,999. I really haven't seen any used "N"s lately.

When the "N" was released, many people thought it was well worth the few hundred dollars difference between a new "N" and a new 1DmkII. But now, after several months, the price of used 1DmkII's is well under $3,000 whereas the price of the "N" hasn't budged.

So I'm thinking that if I were to get a 1DmkII over the 5D, I would look for a good used one for a lot less money than a new "N" (and a lot less than the 5D with the grip!)

Notwithstanding the whole question of new vs. used (warranty vs. none), my question is to those who've moved from the 1DmkII to the 1DmkIIN: is the bigger LCD, the different file types to different cards, the picture styles, etc. worth $1,000 - $1,200?

Thanks.

If money is no problem get the new "N". I know I would in a heartbeat.
Don't forget money is just that and we only live once AFAIK ...

I've been pondering the same thing.

Money is really tight. Hell, at the moment I don't have the cash for either one, but I'm shooting for getting one before spring (and up here, that means April or May. )

I've seen good used MkII's on eBay and SportsShooter.com for $2,600 to $2,800. B&H has the N for just under $4k.

The main reason I want a 1D is the faster framerate for sports (specifically paintball.) The better autofocus, weather sealing and other foofraw is handy, but by themselves not enough to justify my spending several thousand over an above my XT.

But I do want to shoot more PB, and the faster framerate will come in handy. No matter what, I won't be buying 'til after the big show in February, so it's possible the rumored updated 20D may have a slightly faster framerate. If it were 6/sec instead of 5/sec, I'd be sorely tempted simply because the 20D(n?) would be cheaper still than even a used 1DMkII (and almost cheaper than a used original 1D.)

But for "only" five per, which isn't that much above the XTs three per, I'd prefer saving the cash and getting the 1D.

Hey, don't judge me.

Anyway, for my purposes there's no real functional difference between the MkII and MkIIn. Both have the same framerate, and the difference in buffer size shouldn't be too much of an issue, as I predominantly shoot in large JPEG only.

But the used non-N would be $1,300 less (the cost of a complete, new 20D) than a new N. And that's a serious point considering my finances.

But the gadget freak in me would rather have the N, and tries to justify it by saying it'll hold it's value longer (plus it has the bigger buffer, can split raw and jpg between cards, yadda yadda. My inner child is something of a spoiled brat.)

I'm not helping, am I?

I'll be stashing money and waiting 'til the snow starts to melt and then making my decision. It'll be based mainly on cash- if I can afford it without hocking a kidney, I'll get the N. If I'm still way short and a good used example surfaces, I'll get the regular MkII. And coming in a distant third, if whatever gets released in February has at least 8MP, 6+FPS and under $1,500, I may jump at that instead.

Doc.

Salleke wrote:
If money is no problem get the new "N". I know I would in a heartbeat.
Don't forget money is just that and we only live once AFAIK ...

Easy to spend other people's money. I assume money is a problem otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

I'd get the cheaper non-N version. For most people it's hard enough justifying the upgrade from a 20D, so how can you justify an extra $1200 for a bigger LCD and a few other totally non-critical upgrades. Before the N version came out top pros were doing just fine. In fact they were happy enough with the original Mk1. Take a reality check unless you have unlimited funds available.

Jou are wright, everyone must do and spend thye'r money as they please and want to do. It's never bin in my mind to spend others money.
I mereley stated what I would do and even did it wit a wink but again everybody is free to do as she/he pleases.
Please also note the smiley at the end of my post. That was ment as that: wiht a smile.

The extra 1200 $ is not only for a bigger LCD and a few other totally non-critical upgrades.

Please take the time to see the BIG difference in LCD. I for once have seen the difference in LCD compared with the non N. It's a huge difference for me. The new one is in all things better. Bigger, brighter, higer resolution and better vieuwing capabilities from an angle. When chimping you can see if you hit focus much better and faster, wihtout the need of magnifying the LCD vieuw. Watching the histograms is a difference of day and night and last but not least scrolling tru the menu is a breeze. Maybe for me it's more important due to my aged eyes.

A few days ago there was a thread here on POTN: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=124760

There is alot more changed under the hood from the 1DII n then a few "non critical upgrades" IMHO. Give this article a look: http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/news/1490

But again I say: everybody do as he or she pleases with theyr'r money but like I said in my first post. I personally would buy the new 1D MK II n allways over the 1D MK II. I would allways having second toughts if I bought the non n version and would not be happy. But if you or someone else is happy with the non n then by all means go for it and happy shooting and good luck. And with you I also believe that the non n camera is still a very fine piece of equipment.

If I have offended someone then please accept my appollegy. This was and is never bin my intention.

Salleke wrote:
Jou are wright, everyone must do and spend thye'r money as they please and want to do. It's never bin in my mind to spend others money.
I mereley stated what I would do and even did it wit a wink but again everybody is free to do as she/he pleases.
Please also note the smiley at the end of my post. That was ment as that: wiht a smile.

The extra 1200 $ is not only for a bigger LCD and a few other totally non-critical upgrades.

Please take the time to see the BIG difference in LCD. I for once have seen the difference in LCD compared with the non N. It's a huge difference for me. The new one is in all things better. Bigger, brighter, higer resolution and better vieuwing capabilities from an angle. When chimping you can see if you hit focus much better and faster, wihtout the need of magnifying the LCD vieuw. Watching the histograms is a difference of day and night and last but not least scrolling tru the menu is a breeze. Maybe for me it's more important due to my aged eyes.

A few days ago there was a thread here on POTN: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=124760

There is alot more changed under the hood from the 1DII n then a few "non critical upgrades" IMHO. Give this article a look: http://www.sportsshoot​er.com/news/1490

But again I say: everybody do as he or she pleases with theyr'r money but like I said in my first post. I personally would buy the new 1D MK II n allways over the 1D MK II. I would allways having second toughts if I bought the non n version and would not be happy. But if you or someone else is happy with the non n then by all means go for it and happy shooting and good luck. And with you I also believe that the non n camera is still a very fine piece of equipment.

If I have offended someone then please accept my appollegy. This was and is never bin my intention.

Hey don't worry, I wasn't offended. Just trying to counterpoint your "go for it" post

Sure the N is going to be better, but at a very hefty cost differential. With my sensible head on I'd value the upgrade to "N spec" at maybe a couple of hundred dollars. I believe that's how Canon priced it too. What we're seeing now is the usual devaluation of used DSLRs that have been superceeded. This makes them an absolute bargain for the second user. With DSLR technology it makes more sense to hang 1 step behind the cutting edge. That's where the top value bargains are. For example, just wait and see how used prices of the 20D tumble when the next new model is released.