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Jan 05, 2006 05:58 |  #1

I have a cheap third party 100-400 F4.5-6.7 lens. Unfortunatly cant afford a canon in that range:) I have a canon 100-300 usm lens that I have got exellent shots from and got this for that little bit of extra reach. I mainly will shoot wildlife with it as its not fast enough for anything like sport. What I need to know is what kind of settings on a clear day work best for this kind of lens? I have not got much in the way of a good shot out of it at 400m yet. Im not expecting wonderful sharp shots of course with it wide open, however I cant seem to get a reasonable shot at this focal length at all:( Its not too bad at 100 to 250 though. any advise on any way to improve the use of this lens would be appreciated


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Jan 05, 2006 06:58 |  #2

If you are trying to hand hold the lens simply get either a monopod or a tripod or both. These will pay you back many times in image quality on a long lens.


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Jan 05, 2006 07:04 |  #3

What are the shutter speeds you're using at the longer focal lengths? Long lenses require high shutter speeds unless you're using a tripod. At 400mm on a 300D, you're looking at 1/500s or higher to have a good shot at getting sharp photos. I would also imagine that a cheap lens (especially one that's that slow at the long end) needs to be stopped down to f/8 or f/10 to get good sharpness, which puts further difficulties on shutter speed. If it's still very soft at f/11 tripod mounted, I'd say there's nothing you can do to improve the shots...it's just a weak lens.

The really long focal lengths are expensive to get quality glass. There are several decent budget options that go to 300mm, but 400-500mm you're looking at around $950 (Sigma 50-500) to really get something decent.


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Jan 05, 2006 07:07 |  #4

If you're getting good results with the Canon 100-300 then you're probably getting what you paid for with the cheapo 100-400. Cheap zooms are often poor at their long end. Even mid-priced Canon zooms are not that good fully extended (like my 75-300 IS). If you're going to keep the 100-300 it might be worth saving for a reasonable 400 Prime.


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Jan 05, 2006 07:25 as a reply to  @ Jman13's post |  #5

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What are the shutter speeds you're using at the longer focal lengths? Long lenses require high shutter speeds unless you're using a tripod. At 400mm on a 300D, you're looking at 1/500s or higher to have a good shot at getting sharp photos. I would also imagine that a cheap lens (especially one that's that slow at the long end) needs to be stopped down to f/8 or f/10 to get good sharpness, which puts further difficulties on shutter speed. If it's still very soft at f/11 tripod mounted, I'd say there's nothing you can do to improve the shots...it's just a weak lens.

The really long focal lengths are expensive to get quality glass. There are several decent budget options that go to 300mm, but 400-500mm you're looking at around $950 (Sigma 50-500) to really get something decent.

This is going to sound stupid, but I was under the impression that if the lens range is 4.5 to 6.7 that I could not shoot at F11 or anything over 6.7????


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Jan 05, 2006 08:05 |  #6

No....that's the maximum aperture of your lens. So, at 100mm, you have a maxium aperture of f/4.5, and at 400mm you have a maximum aperture of f/6.7. Your minimum aperture is probably at least f/22 (remember, larger numbers, smaller hole). I've never seen a standard 35mm SLR lens that doesn't go to at least f/22. I know there are some specialty lenses that might only close down to f/16, and a few mirror lenses with fixed apertures of f/8 or so (unchangable), but other than that you will be able to close down the aperture to a smaller number.

This explains a lot...you're shooting with a cheap lens, at it's focal extreme, wide open. Stop that thing down, use a tripod, and you'll probably see a large improvement.


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Jan 05, 2006 09:14 as a reply to  @ Jman13's post |  #7

Jman13 wrote:
No....that's the maximum aperture of your lens. So, at 100mm, you have a maxium aperture of f/4.5, and at 400mm you have a maximum aperture of f/6.7. Your minimum aperture is probably at least f/22 (remember, larger numbers, smaller hole). I've never seen a standard 35mm SLR lens that doesn't go to at least f/22. I know there are some specialty lenses that might only close down to f/16, and a few mirror lenses with fixed apertures of f/8 or so (unchangable), but other than that you will be able to close down the aperture to a smaller number.

This explains a lot...you're shooting with a cheap lens, at it's focal extreme, wide open. Stop that thing down, use a tripod, and you'll probably see a large improvement.

Thanks, Im such a dill,:o I was thinking it was like a mirror lens. I never even thought of it. Mind you Ive only had it one day:lol: Had the camera set on TV and was going by shutter speed only, then tried AV at F 6.7, will try it out tommorow.


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Jan 05, 2006 09:30 |  #8

It is however important to remember to use a fast enough shutter speed if you're not using a tripod. If you're using the "Creative" zone (letters) settings, you can use a higher ISO number to let you get better shutter speed and aperture. If you're in one of the "Basic" (pictures & green box) zones, the camera won't let you set this (among lots of other things). At the long end, you should have a shutter speed of around 1/600 or faster. THis virtually guarantees you'll need ISO 800 on a sunny day if you want to hand-hold at a good aperture (f/11) when at maximum zoom.


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