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Dec 21, 2012 12:17 |  #1

I have a friend who wants me to take portraits lit by black lights only. This has me seriously wondering - do UV filters affect black light photography?


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Dec 21, 2012 13:53 |  #2

It depends on the precise nature of the "black light" sources and of the "UV" filter. It's entirely possible that a particular type of UV filter could block the UV light from the "black light" source.

Why do you ask? Do you use a UV filter on your lens(es) all the time for "protection"? If so, this would be one time to remove the filter.


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Dec 21, 2012 13:58 |  #3

SkipD wrote in post #15394179 (external link)
It depends on the precise nature of the "black light" sources and of the "UV" filter. It's entirely possible that a particular type of UV filter could block the UV light from the "black light" source.

Why do you ask? Do you use a UV filter on your lens(es) all the time for "protection"? If so, this would be one time to remove the filter.

I've been seriously pursuing photography as a hobby for about a year now. When I started I left UV filters on for protection all the time. But I keep running into more and more situations where they are harmful to image quality, such as the topic of this thread or in scenes with light sources in the frame:

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I had to do surgery on this image in PP to remove the most horrid flare to the right of the subject's face. There is another flare near his hands that wasn't correctable. I don't use cheap filters either; Hoya HD.

I'm seriously considering just leaving filters off from now on unless I feel there is actual danger to the lens - near sand, salt water, vehicles etc.

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Dec 21, 2012 14:02 |  #4

I have never once used a filter for anything but the special effect that could be provided by using the filter. In other words, I don't use filters for "protection" from anything. I still have every lens that I have purchased since 1967 and every one of them (though all have been heavily used in a variety of situations including on-track motocross photography) has nearly pristine glass in them. In other words, I don't feel that I need any "protection" beyond using common sense and proper lens cleaning techniques/materials.


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Dec 21, 2012 16:27 |  #5

SkipD wrote in post #15394179 (external link)
this would be one time to remove the filter.

Then sell it on E-Bay.

I'm with Skip. Use hoods for protection.


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Dec 21, 2012 16:32 |  #6

your question pretty much answers itself.
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Dec 21, 2012 21:07 |  #7

'Black light' stimulates fluorescence in some things, which will then themselves EMIT visible light.

UV filter might filter out UV light from the source that enters the lens, but the UV filter cannot not filter out VISIBLE light emitted by the object.

It used to be that there was no UV filtration coating on the electronic flash xenon tubes of some flash units (Buff White Lightning had optional UV coating, for example). So the UV would cause optical brighteners in fabrics to glow, and the glow would be visible in the photo.


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Dec 21, 2012 21:47 |  #8

Hoods for me, too. But isn't there already a UV filter over the sensor?


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Dec 22, 2012 08:09 |  #9

PhotosGuy wrote in post #15395396 (external link)
Hoods for me, too. But isn't there already a UV filter over the sensor?

No, there is an IR filter - other end of the spectrum. Silicon based sensors are naturally not very sensitive to UV.


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Dec 22, 2012 08:40 |  #10

They actually make special UV filters to be used in conjunction with fluorescence photography. As Wilt said the materials emit visible light. The filter cuts any reflected UV that would tend to degrade the image.




  
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Dec 23, 2012 11:18 |  #11

tzalman wrote in post #15396262 (external link)
No, there is an IR filter - other end of the spectrum. Silicon based sensors are naturally not very sensitive to UV.

I believe that the IR filter also cuts out a lot of the UV. Then again, most lenses will absorb the vast majority of UV light as well.

When I had my 20D altered for IR I asked the guy doing it about adaptation for UV. He said there was a lot of interest from the forensic community, but that it had a lot more problems than conversion for IR. He said they were hoping to get something on the market in two years, but that was four years ago.


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Dec 23, 2012 20:03 |  #12

UV and IR are on opposite ends of the visible light spectrum and therefore a filter for one has no effect on the other. Blacklights produce UVA which the phosphors in the shirt convert to visible light. You can try photographing with and without the UV filter but the glow is from visible light which your eye sees. You camera sees more than your eye. That is why some use a filter to block it from a camera sensor.


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Dec 23, 2012 23:55 |  #13

ChunkyDA wrote in post #15401401 (external link)
UV and IR are on opposite ends of the visible light spectrum and therefore a filter for one has no effect on the other.

Nope. UV/IR cut filters are quite common. LINK (external link)

Indeed, one might just as well say that red and violet light are at opposite ends of the visible spectrum, therefore a filter for one has no effect on the other. Which would make all ND filters impossible.


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Dec 24, 2012 01:42 |  #14

hollis_f wrote in post #15402014 (external link)
Nope. UV/IR cut filters are quite common. LINK (external link)

That, in electronic terms, would be a band-pass filter which cuts off frequencies below a band of frequencies and above the same band.


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