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Bavaria/Austria Trip May '13 Lens Options

 
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Jan 01, 2013 13:40 |  #1

We just booked a May '13 tour starting in Munich Germany then going to Austria staying in Innsbruck, Salzburg and finally Vienna.

I have a Canon 60D with the 18-135 kit lens. I also have a 70-300 Canon lens.

This trip will be full of landscapes, architecture, and indoor photography which may require low light capabilities.

If I was going to add one lens to my lens portfolio with a budget of less than $1,000, what would you recommend? Renting a lens may also be an option as well.

Thank you and happy news years!

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Jan 01, 2013 14:41 |  #2

Sigma 17-50 f/2.8

My wife and I did a long cruise in Northern Europe last summer. I didn't use the Sigma much, but having it in the Hermitage was worth carrying it around the world!

Second choice would be the Sigma 30, but the 17-50 will give you more options.


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Jan 01, 2013 14:45 |  #3

I had the same dilemma this summer going for a lengthy vacation to Greece and Turkey. I was apprehensive to carrying my 70-200 MkII and leaving it in inexpensive rental rooms in the islands. In the end I decided to take the EF-S 18-200 and the nifty-fifty.

With the IS on, I got some photos in very dark rooms (like the cisterns below, where there was so little light, you were afraid to step down the stairs).

If your 18-135 is IS, crank the ISO up to 3200/6400 and shoot! The 60D can do it!

In 'normal' indoor conditions, there is no issue.

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Jan 01, 2013 16:10 |  #4

You do not need to replace your 18-135mm with another normal zoom just for the sake of replacing. It will do the job nicely. You will be doing most of the shots during the daytime, so there is no special need to get a f/2.8. You will hardly use the 70-300mm, unless you really want to shoot small architectural details. Otherwise it is just an extra weight.

What you may want to consider is to get an UWA, something like Canon 10-20 or a Sigma 10-22mm. The buildings - cathedrals and castles- are huge, but not much room to back up. Again, for daytime you can get by with the Sigma 10-20 f/4.5-5.6, which is half the price of the Canon. And if you still need more light, the 60D can be safely used at ISO 3200.

And finally, for indoor shooting you may want to look into a wide fast prime, e.g., a Sigma 30mm f/1.4. However, I found that I usually was able to accomplish that by just bumping the ISO, and now my European kit consists of only two lenses.


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Jan 01, 2013 18:04 as a reply to  @ Lbsimon's post |  #5

We went to the UK this past fall and the one lens I didn't have was a fast zoom for inside cathedrals and such. I had my 24-105 and that sort of worked, but I would have been happier with something faster and wider. I ended up buying the Tamron 17-50. Your budget would allow the Canon 17-55 IS, so you'd gain even more use of the lens from the IS. I used my 14mm f.28 in the Roman Baths in Bath, UK. It was fine for that light, but the single focal length was limiting (as was the MF aspect). I'd think about picking up a 17-55 IS and then go with that and your 70-300. You can sneaker zoom and/or crop to cover the 55-70 range if need be.

Also, make sure you bring a circular polarizing filter for the 70-300 at least. Lots of haze in Germany/Austria.


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Jan 01, 2013 20:10 as a reply to  @ M_Six's post |  #6

You might also consider the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8. It gives you an ultra-wide perspective and reasonably fast lens for interiors and darker street scenes, and is below your stated budget.


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Jan 01, 2013 20:15 as a reply to  @ erda's post |  #7

I would go with a canon 15-85, I love this lens. I would also pick up a used canon 55-250, it is easy to carry just incase you need that range, but the 15-85 will cover a lot.

You can pick up a mint 15-85 here for around 530ish, and a 55-250 for 140...so for under 700 you are covered.




  
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Jan 01, 2013 20:40 |  #8

Went to Europe several times with a 15-85 and 55-250.
90% of the time the 15-85 was used and mostly on the wide end. Next trip I am leaving the 55-250 and bringing Sigma 30 f1.4 since that is much more useful in dark indoor churches, castles, etc...

The 18-135 is a very good range and with that you certainly will not need a zoom!
Personally I don't think that a 17-50 range is enough and at the wide end the difference between from f2.8 to your lens f3.5 is nothing.... That is why it's better to get a prime to compliment your lens.
If you want to go cheaper then Sigma 30 then get the Canon 35f2.


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Jan 01, 2013 21:06 |  #9

Just did a quick look at my Northern European pics. Probably didn't even realize it at the time, but most of my 17-50 shots were at f/3.5-5.0 :o. Probably better ISO (shot auto ISO on T2i), but all are useable. What saved my butt in a few places was my Sigma 30mm. Which means I hauled that extra lens around the world just because it made me feel better. I hate when actual EXIF data contradicts your perception! MOST of the time I shot the 15-85 with great results.

The gentleman from Virginia requests unanimous consent to revise and extent his previous post... :)

So, based on that check of previous experience, if I was going to add, it would be a prime, and the Sigma 30 was great for me in some very dark museums. You'll just have to recognize you may have issues in tight spaces (mine was photographing the Vasa in Stockholm...)


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Jan 01, 2013 21:22 |  #10

How much architecture do you want? You might want to get something wider than 18mm on a crop depending on if you are shooting architecture. If so, I'd look into a Tokina 11-16 or Canon 10-22mm. In the narrow streets of Euorpe, you don't have much room for longer focal lengths. Try to limit yourself to 1 or two lenses for the trip. They last thing you'll want to do is carry all that stuff around. I would think the kit lens would be good for most of what you'll need. I'd only add something wider if you really think you need it. You're probably good on length with what you have now.


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Jan 01, 2013 21:37 |  #11

I advise the AOV which is associated with 24mm on FF and 15mm on APS-C, anything narrower gets too frustrating. 17mm on APS-C is like 28mm on FF, too narrow to be satisfying for the narrow streets on the older parts of European towns.


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Jan 01, 2013 22:32 |  #12

I wouldn't be without an UWA in Europe.


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Jan 01, 2013 22:51 |  #13

viperbass wrote in post #15431450 (external link)
We just booked a May '13 tour starting in Munich Germany then going to Austria staying in Innsbruck, Salzburg and finally Vienna.

I have a Canon 60D with the 18-135 kit lens. I also have a 70-300 Canon lens.

This trip will be full of landscapes, architecture, and indoor photography which may require low light capabilities.

If I was going to add one lens to my lens portfolio with a budget of less than $1,000, what would you recommend? Renting a lens may also be an option as well.

Thank you and happy news years!

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/55056358@N04/ (external link)

10-22 EF-S with some Lee Filters. Just got back from Munich, Innsbrook, Etc.... Myself

You want wide. Architecture is a lot of fun. A wide prime is also useful


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Jan 01, 2013 23:05 |  #14

My lenses in Europe: 17-40, 24tse, 50L, 85L, & 70-200.

Should have left the 70-200 and 85 at home. To be honest I could have left the 50 too but I love that lens


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Jan 02, 2013 07:21 |  #15

viperbass wrote in post #15431450 (external link)
We just booked a May '13 tour starting in Munich Germany then going to Austria staying in Innsbruck, Salzburg and finally Vienna.

I have a Canon 60D with the 18-135 kit lens. I also have a 70-300 Canon lens.

This trip will be full of landscapes, architecture, and indoor photography which may require low light capabilities.

If I was going to add one lens to my lens portfolio with a budget of less than $1,000, what would you recommend? Renting a lens may also be an option as well.

Thank you and happy news years!

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/55056358@N04/ (external link)

I agree with some of the others, you don't need to add anything unless you like ultra wides for architecture shots. A flash and 50mm 1.8 are always useful




  
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