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Jan 02, 2013 19:36 |  #1

Obviously, some of this is lighting, but I love how the post-processing was done to get an early American painting look. I tried some things in Photoshop and didn't really get close. Any suggestions?

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Jan 02, 2013 19:45 |  #2

Outside of the skin processing I'd say there's not too much there processing wise. To my eyes it's more to do with how the scene was lit than anything else. What have you been working up to so far?


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Jan 02, 2013 19:50 |  #3

Back then, they either had window light or fire/candle. Think about how you would recreate that. Dramatic side lighting with dark scene.

The costume and color palette makes it work too.

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Jan 03, 2013 05:32 |  #4

I saw this picture and others like it and really like the look. I haven't tried to simulate the lighting yet, and I do see that a lot of what I like about this picture is done with lighting. I went back to some "green screen" photos I took where the lighting wasn't that far off, replaced the background with something of similar color, and then I experimented with some post-processing to see if I could achieve a similar look. Initially I tried some different plugin effects, then some filters, but nothing that really came close to this look...nothing that simulated the color palette of fire/candle light.


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Jan 03, 2013 07:43 |  #5

Try studying some of the paintings of the old masters like Vermeer, de la Tour, Rembrandt, Caravaggio, etc. to get an idea of the lighting and relationship between the lit subject and the scene around them, color palette, etc.

Here is a Vermeer - the Milkmaid - that has a really nice example of all the elements you might want to try to achieve:

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In this case, the background is lit well (windowlight on white wall) instead of plunged into darkness. Try recreating something like this, with the same palette of colors. Maybe there is a historic building or something near where you live that has actors or volunteers that dress in period costume - see if you can get them involved in a set up like this.

Here's a classic Rembrandt:

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You get the idea. Dramatic but soft lighting, narrow palette, dark scene. Rembrandt will make you practice shadow control.

The Carl Zeiss facebook page has a couple of examples of Vermeer-ish windowlight photos that also have this look, due to the subject and the period costume thing:

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Not the same, but similar and you can get an idea of how the lighting was achieved because the window portal is in the picture. It doesn't hurt that the photographer is using lenses that draw that scene exquisitely. The costume and setting also are really important, because it gives the lighting and the colors some context that completes the look.

Here's a fun post by Strobist guru David Hobby about having beers with Rembrandt:

http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com …beers-with-rembrandt.html (external link)

It's entertaining but contains a lot of information that may be helpful to you.

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Jan 03, 2013 08:21 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #6

Check out the gallery of Bill Gekas (external link), I think his lighting and color palate are very similar to your example. If you go to his blog, he shares his light setups for many of his photos.


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Jan 03, 2013 08:38 |  #7

^^ That's a good link - although the images are a little bit creepy, honestly.


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Jan 03, 2013 11:54 |  #8

Gene, thanks for linking to Bill Gekas' site.
His info on using a cookaloris is exactly what I needed - I had a half-formed idea in my head and just needed that little bit of "real" information so I could finish my idea.

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Jan 03, 2013 12:17 as a reply to  @ nathancarter's post |  #9

Glad you found some useful information at his site. Sometimes he also puts black tape like a cross (+) on the front of a soft box so that the subjects catch light looks like a window reflection.


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Jan 03, 2013 12:46 |  #10

Bill Gekas has a similar style that I like. And I do understand these lighting concepts, but I know there's work going on in post to really bring out this early American or masters painting feel to the images. Bill even makes a reference to "infusing" this into post-production, without really saying what he does. Since I think I can get very close to lighting portraits similar to this, I suspect my finished product will still fall short. That's why I'm trying to get a better handle on the post work.


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