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rantercsr wrote in post #18402120
yes my 80d isn't going anywhere ..
I got it for 2 reasons ,, family affairs where I need quick and reliable af..

and for its easy to use video AF .. plus fully articulating screen .. the gf and I love doing selfy style shot together during vacations as we go to different areas , for sharing with the family and friends on Facebook or whwere ever..
and I already have some efs lenses that cover a decent range plus the EF 50 1.4

so yes I do agree with you different tools for different situations... I couldn't get reliability out of the a7sii or a6500 for family events .. too many OOF shots..never have that issue with canon 80d , 5d3 (when I had it) or even t4i..
But I do LOVE the dynamic range with sony cameras when doing cityscape shots.. no need for bracket shooting!!

I AM very excited about the xt2.. i'm fairly certain it will be a keeper
I've held it at store and it feels good.. grip could be a bit beefier but .. I got the extended grip with it for that and for added benefits , not really added fps as I rarely shoot at high fps

yes I do like FF look .., but it only matters to me in certain situations..
for the most part I don't often shoot my 80d or a6500 , t4i and think it would have looked better in FF.. only because of ISO do I find myself wishing it were FF.. most of the time when I miss FF

If you like the "FF look", consider getting a Lens Turbo ii or Speedbooster. Though honestly, I think the 1 stop difference in DOF isn't even worth mentioning 95% of the time.

Lens Turbo ii with Rokinon 85mm on my X-T1

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Osa713 wrote in post #18402330
This topic sound familiar

O and the 16-55 F/2.8 is amazing btw

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Beautiful shot and model.

AlanU wrote in post #18402336
Please NOTE this is two CANON files. This is just a reference between my fuji and Canon sunburst/flashburst photos. These photos are from my Canon full frame with 16-35 f/2.8mk2. Even this sunflare is ok compared to my previous 16-35 f/4IS. The DJ photo is with my 5dmk3 with 16-35 f/4IS @ aprox f/4.

Look at the sunburst images on the back ground cars. This is the typical look I get with remote flash photography with my canon gear. This is something I do not get with my fuji lenses (reason why I use Canon for hired events.)

Again this is just preference and my style of photography. I do understand we all have different styles!!

I'm guessing you're a big JJ Abrams fan?

AlanU wrote in post #18402359
Rantercsr,

Check out how fuji renders human subjects in studio. Depending on lighting it looks different compared to your sony and canon. That's the beauty of having different gear. The sony and canon will have a crisp sharp look to it. With my 4 light setup for headshots i did the Fuji had a more organic softer look with less micro contrast. Even with identical lighting the iso was different compared to my Canon.

I guess other factors like type of softbox will make a difference. This is just my observation with my recent setup. As usual we all shoot differently.

In my experience there's a bigger difference just from switching the film simulation modes or adjusting the curves slightly in LR than there is between the files directly from camera. I've delivered prints to clients where I used Fuji and Canon or Fuji and Sony cameras interchangeably and I couldn't even tell the difference in the final prints unless I really thought hard about it.

My take on the difference is, out of the box the raw files are different alright, however they are much closer when I shot with Sigma's wonderful Art lenses - more contrast and colour then the canon lenses and closer to the Fuji raf files. Once worked up though I had to check what camera shot what & that was a big eye opener for me. After years of working up Canon files in Lightroom it took a while to understand how I could get the best out of the Fuji rafs. Feel like I'm about there now.

I find the files plenty sharp in Studio but for PPing bragging rights I doubt I'll ever get close to this kind of shot, until I get my mits on a GFX next year [fingers crossed]. Check out the detail at this zoom level, Sigma Art 50 and 5D3 under studio lights = crispy. Some more ammo for you Alan

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so that delivery that I thought i'd be missing on Monday...came today

first shot with the xt2 23f2

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Jpeg sooc skin tones are very pleasant, something fuji is known for. Also the film simulations are a nice extra feature.

Watching some YouTube videos and seeing all the new updates to the X-T2 and going back on the files when I had it at launch. IT made me seriously think. I seem to tend to buy cameras at launch when they're the new shiny thing, give it a whirl, then when the next shiny thing comes out, sell it and get the new one. Which is fun and all, but in the case of Fuji specifically what the camera is released like and say 6 months, 1 year later it's often times a completely different camera. Whether you want to applaud Fuji for continued support or criticize them for putting out an seemingly unfinished camera. I'm looking forward to getting my X100F this week and quite possibly giving the X-T2 another look. I see that there's a B&H bundle for the X-T2, booster grip, 18-55, and 35 f2 for $2,300. My a9 body only was almost twice that. I never picked up the booster grip my first time around and maybe that makes a world of difference.

I don't mean to make this a Sony vs Fuji thing but one of the biggest issues with Sony is the premium you have to pay, both in terms of price as well as size. My 24-70 GM is a phenomenal lens, but it's also 900 grams and $2,200. I see the Fuji 16-55 is only about 650 grams and $1,200. Same goes for the 70-200 2.8, it's a $2,600, 8", 1480 grams versus $1,600, 7", 995 grams for the Fuji. Yes it's different sensor size and imaging circle, I'm not naive. But for every comparable lens there's a clear 50% or higher price and size premium which can't be dismissed that easily.

All I know is I look forward to this week and my experiment of going X100F only and seeing how that goes.

TMaG82 wrote in post #18403007
Watching some YouTube videos and seeing all the new updates to the X-T2 and going back on the files when I had it at launch. IT made me seriously think. I seem to tend to buy cameras at launch when they're the new shiny thing, give it a whirl, then when the next shiny thing comes out, sell it and get the new one. Which is fun and all, but in the case of Fuji specifically what the camera is released like and say 6 months, 1 year later it's often times a completely different camera. Whether you want to applaud Fuji for continued support or criticize them for putting out an seemingly unfinished camera. I'm looking forward to getting my X100F this week and quite possibly giving the X-T2 another look. I see that there's a B&H bundle for the X-T2, booster grip, 18-55, and 35 f2 for $2,300. My a9 body only was almost twice that. I never picked up the booster grip my first time around and maybe that makes a world of difference.

I don't mean to make this a Sony vs Fuji thing but one of the biggest issues with Sony is the premium you have to pay, both in terms of price as well as size. My 24-70 GM is a phenomenal lens, but it's also 900 grams and $2,200. I see the Fuji 16-55 is only about 650 grams and $1,200. Same goes for the 70-200 2.8, it's a $2,600, 8", 1480 grams versus $1,600, 7", 995 grams for the Fuji. Yes it's different sensor size and imaging circle, I'm not naive. But for every comparable lens there's a clear 50% or higher price and size premium which can't be dismissed that easily.

All I know is I look forward to this week and my experiment of going X100F only and seeing how that goes.

The B&H bundle is an incredible deal for US folks. The X-T2 body only is $2099 in Canada! Also the Sony A9 at $4500 USD is a steal considering the $6000 CDN price tag at my local stores.

I think you can easily justify the cost difference IMO. Your comparing a Sony A9 full frame beast vs a very capable Fuji X-t2. If your speaking of pure specs regarding "gear" and not photographers skills the Sony wins in pure performance.

I'd take even a Sony A7rmk2 w/ Gmaster 24-70mm zoom over a Fuji X-T2 with 16-55. Since I'm a Canon shooter as well as Fuji I'd buy a Canon 5dmk4 before selling my entire Canon kit for Sony. The Canon 24-70L f/2.8mk2 is a fantastic zoom for the Canon shooter!!

But as you can see choosing a camera system has many variables such as ergonomics, signature "look" camera manufacturers digital file render, size factor, lens varieties, compatibility with flash systems TTL & remote triggers ETC ETC.

Same story goes for a $$$ digital medium format user "playing" with a D810 or 1dxmk2. The full frame sensor may possibly be "just good enough" compared to their Medium format body.

It's not uncommon for a hobbyist/semi pro/ professional photographer to own 2 to 3 different camera makes for specific applications and reasons.

A full frame 24mp sensor vs crop sensor 24mp is not apples to apples.

I think fuji ticked off many loyal users when they created a firmware 4 for the X-E2 to perform identical to all the people that dumped the X-E2 for a "better" X-E2S. Fuji at least supports aging bodies with new firmware so that's an interesting concept.

AlanU wrote in post #18403117
The B&H bundle is an incredible deal for US folks. The X-T2 body only is $2099 in Canada! Also the Sony A9 at $4500 USD is a steal considering the $6000 CDN price tag at my local stores.

I think you can easily justify the cost difference IMO. Your comparing a Sony A9 full frame beast vs a very capable Fuji X-t2. If your speaking of pure specs regarding "gear" and not photographers skills the Sony wins in pure performance.

I'd take even a Sony A7rmk2 w/ Gmaster 24-70mm zoom over a Fuji X-T2 with 16-55. Since I'm a Canon shooter as well as Fuji I'd buy a Canon 5dmk4 before selling my entire Canon kit for Sony. The Canon 24-70L f/2.8mk2 is a fantastic zoom for the Canon shooter!!

But as you can see choosing a camera system has many variables such as ergonomics, signature "look" camera manufacturers digital file render, size factor, lens varieties, compatibility with flash systems TTL & remote triggers ETC ETC.

Same story goes for a $$$ digital medium format user "playing" with a D810 or 1dxmk2. The full frame sensor may possibly be "just good enough" compared to their Medium format body.

It's not uncommon for a hobbyist/semi pro/ professional photographer to own 2 to 3 different camera makes for specific applications and reasons.

A full frame 24mp sensor vs crop sensor 24mp is not apples to apples.

I think fuji ticked off many loyal users when they created a firmware 4 for the X-E2 to perform identical to all the people that dumped the X-E2 for a "better" X-E2S. Fuji at least supports aging bodies with new firmware so that's an interesting concept.

Nor would I expect it to be a fair fight. We're talking about a system that costs 2-3x the amount of the other. In terms of pure IQ the a9 should on paper be superior to the X-T2, physics dictate that. DXO mark validates that the a9 has a towards the top of the list sensor. But sensor does not dictate the whole picture. There's times when I wonder if I'm getting my money's worth, thinking that I would get similar r equal results with a cheaper/smaller/ different camera. Also times when I know that I'm not tapping the full capabilities of a camera. I'll wait and see how the X100F experiment goes before I make any decisions. But I can't help to think that the difference in funds could be better budgeted elsewhere, such as towards my uber expensive Disney World trip at the end of the year or as extra savings towards the house we want to buy in the next few years.

AlanU wrote in post #18403117
I think fuji ticked off many loyal users when they created a firmware 4 for the X-E2 to perform identical to all the people that dumped the X-E2 for a "better" X-E2S. Fuji at least supports aging bodies with new firmware so that's an interesting concept.

I doubt any Fuji users were ticked off at all, seeing as Fujifilm announced the Firmware 4.0.0 release for the X-E2 the same day they announced the X-E2S [Jan 15th 2016] The FW4 was available on Feb 8th for download, less then a month after the launch announcement of the 'Better' X-E2S.

Fuji have a great support structure in this regard, they listen to their users and reply with updates and improvements all the time. FW4 was like getting a new camera, The 'kaizen' is strong in this one.

Anybody seen or used Godox's new Fuji capable flash and triggers, the few reports I have read so far look very good. Although I never really liked the X1T trigger in terms is usability. Alan I thought you might be interested in this.

So , not like with sony ,panasonic or canon .. i think im going to have to actually read the manual.. things arent so obvious with this camera

So my shutter speed , im not able to change very much through the command dial..
If i have top dial at set at 125
Then with command dial i can only go as low as 80 or high as 160 or 180.. or maybe a bit more but either way i cant go through the entire range of shutter speeds

Do i not have that option?
Im assuming its some s3tting that came default that needs changing?

I got a simlar bundle from adorama.. body, grip and 23mm f2 for $2045(and a 32gig sd card, and some other stuff they throw in sensor cleaner ,sd card wallet etc)


Didn't go with 18-55 because im pretty certain i want the 16-55 2.8

TMaG82 wrote in post #18403007
I don't mean to make this a Sony vs Fuji thing but one of the biggest issues with Sony is the premium you have to pay, both in terms of price as well as size. My 24-70 GM is a phenomenal lens, but it's also 900 grams and $2,200. I see the Fuji 16-55 is only about 650 grams and $1,200. Same goes for the 70-200 2.8, it's a $2,600, 8", 1480 grams versus $1,600, 7", 995 grams for the Fuji. Yes it's different sensor size and imaging circle, I'm not naive. But for every comparable lens there's a clear 50% or higher price and size premium which can't be dismissed that easily.

All I know is I look forward to this week and my experiment of going X100F only and seeing how that goes.

It's always interesting to hear how others reach their decisions when buying a camera/lens. My brother in law works for Sony and as such I can get huge discounts. When I saw his 24/70GM I thought he had a 70-300 on, its really that big.

When I wanted a smaller system Fuji were clear winners. Having three kids 4 and under, weight was the deciding factor as camera had to take 2nd place to milk bottles, nappies and a change of clothes etc. Fuji primes are small, reasonably priced and light, I wish Sigma were developing lens for the system though, possibly there's no margins for them as the Fuji costs are low.

rantercsr wrote in post #18403170
So , not like with sony ,panasonic or canon .. i think im going to have to actually read the manual.. things arent so obvious with this camera

So my shutter speed , im not able to change very much through the command dial..
If i have top dial at set at 125
Then with command dial i can only go as low as 80 or high as 160 or 180.. or maybe a bit more but either way i cant go through the entire range of shutter speeds

Do i not have that option?
Im assuming its some s3tting that came default that needs changing?

To change the shutter speed via the command dial, select 'T' on the top shutter dial then you can use the back or front dial to change the speed from very slow to 1/8000 or 1/32000 if electronic shutter is on.

rantercsr wrote in post #18403170
So , not like with sony ,panasonic or canon .. i think im going to have to actually read the manual.. things arent so obvious with this camera

So my shutter speed , im not able to change very much through the command dial..
If i have top dial at set at 125
Then with command dial i can only go as low as 80 or high as 160 or 180.. or maybe a bit more but either way i cant go through the entire range of shutter speeds

Do i not have that option?
Im assuming its some s3tting that came default that needs changing?

rantercsr wrote in post #18403170
So , not like with sony ,panasonic or canon .. i think im going to have to actually read the manual.. things arent so obvious with this camera

So my shutter speed , im not able to change very much through the command dial..
If i have top dial at set at 125
Then with command dial i can only go as low as 80 or high as 160 or 180.. or maybe a bit more but either way i cant go through the entire range of shutter speeds

Do i not have that option?
Im assuming its some s3tting that came default that needs changing?

You should be able to set it to T and scroll through the entire range with the rear dial.

h14nha wrote in post #18403178
It's always interesting to hear how others reach their decisions when buying a camera/lens. My brother in law works for Sony and as such I can get huge discounts. When I saw his 24/70GM I thought he had a 70-300 on, its really that big.

When I wanted a smaller system Fuji were clear winners. Having three kids 4 and under, weight was the deciding factor as camera had to take 2nd place to milk bottles, nappies and a change of clothes etc. Fuji primes are small, reasonably priced and light, I wish Sigma were developing lens for the system though, possibly there's no margins for them as the Fuji costs are low.

Yup, I have two kids, 4 and 2. That's one of the reasons I went with the 100F to start, to just carry it around my neck. Even the 16-55 seems to be more manageable than the 24-70 and if you really want to go small the 18-55 is always available.

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18403147
I doubt any Fuji users were ticked off at all, seeing as Fujifilm announced the Firmware 4.0.0 release for the X-E2 the same day they announced the X-E2S [Jan 15th 2016] The FW4 was available on Feb 8th for download, less then a month after the launch announcement of the 'Better' X-E2S.

Fuji have a great support structure in this regard, they listen to their users and reply with updates and improvements all the time. FW4 was like getting a new camera, The 'kaizen' is strong in this one.

Anybody seen or used Godox's new Fuji capable flash and triggers, the few reports I have read so far look very good. Although I never really liked the X1T trigger in terms is usability. Alan I thought you might be interested in this.

Hey Kim,

During that time when fuji released the X-E2S I was chatting at my favourite brick&mortar camera shop. The manager shoots Fuji and he clearly stated that his fuji customers were "MAD". In that time the X-E2S was selling for $999 CDN and the used market was flooded with $600-650 CDN X-E2 bodies. As Fuji users slowly realized the release for Firmware 4.0 for the older X-E2 it was too late as they've purchased the New "improved" X-E2S (electronic shutter, improved AF amongst other upgrades) . Nonetheless the used market was getting people snatching the older bodies and the buyers were taking advantage of the "free firmware upgrade".

Locally from what I gather many users were MAD. During that same time many Fuji users still owning the X-E2 or used market buyers were happy. Depending on who you spoke to it was either they were "Ticked off" or "happy/laughing at early X-E2S adopters"

Kim I've bought into the Cactus V6 mk2 triggers and RF60 transceiver flash units. The X-T10 shoe worked with the V6mk2 but iirc the pin layout on the X-T2 was slightly changed enough that some pins do not contact properly with the V6mk2. After my discovery I've lost interest in using using a speedlight on top of my V6mk2 trigger when it's mounted on my X-T2. My application of remote flash is typically in very low light. This is why I'm using my Canon system with red focus assist on my speedlights shooting ETTL on camera and manual flash remotely. The Cactus setup with my Canon system is extremely reliable and predictable for me. When I used my X-T10 with the cactus trigger system in low light I was getting alot of blurry images due to the typical issues of mirrorless AF system not locking in darkness during run/gun events. Even as I try to learn to adopt fuji in that scenario when I grab my Canon system it's effortless and extremely easy to lock AF focus (almost seems 99.9% tack sharp images with no mis focus) in shear darkness with red assist from speedlight. Flash starbursts is also another reason why I've settled on using Canon for my remote flash shooting and Fuji as my secondary system with little flash usage. "My style" is my reason but other photog's have personal preferences of course..........

More and more fuji shooters I speak to locally do not use the fuji system with remote flash or run/gun hired events. So far 100% use fuji for non hired events and do not run/gun with flash or even use flash. Some are dedicated fuji shooters or some still use Nikon/Canon as their primary system for hired events. However this is meaningless info as we all know there are people using Fuji for professional applications.

With my fuji and flash setup it just isn't fast enough for me to lock on AF on a consistent accurate basis. This comment is not out of the ordinary as I've met photogs locally having identical experiences in their style of photography. I guess my brain is stuck on how mirrored bodies lock af vs mirrorless systems (except Sony A9)