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May 24, 2019 17:50 |  #10052

small fire today across the street from the depot I work out of .. I wanted to go get better shots of the fire fighters .. but he guy in the white shirt is my supervisor.. and I was supposed to be in a bus already

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May 24, 2019 18:11 |  #10053

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This interview is filled with interesting insights on Fuji's strategy, on the digital photo marketplace, on what Fuji is working on, on a bunch of specific questions relating to GFX line, XT line, XH line, lens development, etc.

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Today I went to two different camera shops today to visit friends and have coffee :) So far seems the pre orders were filled by deep pocket enthusiasts. The discussion was interesting as there was so much emphasis on "how many people need 100MP??". Very interesting conversation today as $15000 for a camera is not chump change for a large sensor camera.

At the end of the day it's very personal in gear ownership.

I'm curious to see what Fuji does. Their efforts in large sensor format to avoid FF saturated markets may have been wise. I see a severe rift in their line now as it's aps-c at a cheaper price point and now the GFX100 premium cost is more for niche users. The GFX50 is even more niche as it's not intended for fast sports action. This is May 24, 2019 so the introduction cost of the GFX100 is intentionally max in price.

Lumix S1 seems like a flop at the moment. If Fuji jumped in with FF it would have great momentum IMO. Price point of the Full frame world still has some benefits performance:$$$ ratio. Currently in Canada the GFX50S costs $7000 ($7840 including tax). The Nikon D750 only costs $1699 CDN. Even the cheaper $1699 is very expensive for the average soccer mom/dad for still photography. In reality most video is now taken with smartphones.

Even some of my friends with deep pockets cannot imagine spending $15000 for a camera. However they can easily spend ballpark $5000+ for a Nikon, Canon, Sony flagship. This is the separation I'm talking about. IF a Fuji aps-c shooter is seeking more resolution for cropping capabilities with extremely responsive body they must buy a 3lbs GFX100. A Nikon D500 shooter can spend $4982 (taxes in) for a flagship D810.

I see the GFX100 price point more geared to hardcore professionals. The GFX50 is more affordable but we need a GFX50mk2 with identical XT3 AF to be a next higher tier to Fuji's capable aps-c sensor. This is where I see Sony, Canon and Nikon have a nice step in sensor performance and still retain and share lenses for both apsc and FF.

Interesting times for Fuji...maybe I'd consider the GFX100 in 5yrs or so when used prices will be similar to a brand new FF mirrorless body :)


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May 25, 2019 06:27 |  #10054

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Today I went to two different camera shops today to visit friends and have coffee :)


Even some of my friends with deep pockets cannot imagine spending $15000 for a camera. However they can easily spend ballpark $5000+ for a Nikon, Canon, Sony flagship. This is the separation I'm talking about. IF a Fuji aps-c shooter is seeking more resolution for cropping capabilities with extremely responsive body they must buy a 3lbs GFX100. A Nikon D500 shooter can spend $4982 (taxes in) for a flagship D810.

I see the GFX100 price point more geared to hardcore professionals. The GFX50 is more affordable but we need a GFX50mk2 with identical XT3 AF to be a next higher tier to Fuji's capable aps-c sensor. This is where I see Sony, Canon and Nikon have a nice step in sensor performance and still retain and share lenses for both apsc and FF.

Interesting times for Fuji...maybe I'd consider the GFX100 in 5yrs or so when used prices will be similar to a brand new FF mirrorless body :)

well if that the case I don't think this camera was marketed for your friends shallow pockets..
just like it certainly wasn't targeted for me.. could I get one? yeah .. but that's 11k for me after taxes just for the body.
I had plans for a new car this year.
and as I just went over, to upgrade some of my "supporting" gear.

in anycase I think if this gfx1o0 performs in real world scenario's like Fuji says it will then they have definetly changed the definition of what the best option for Professionals is. Not in every field of course. but in many fields the argument that anything bigger than full frame is too slow or that IQ differneces are not that big.

if you are shooting senior portraits and at most the largest that is being printed is an 8 x 11 for grandma then obvioulsly this camera isn't meant for you.. I mean you could easily get away with a one of the latest m4/3 cameras.

so I think a lot of amateurs and so called enthusiasts are only looking within themselves to judge whether or not proffessioanls can use this camera or will get this camera


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May 25, 2019 12:17 |  #10055

Now that flickr is finally back up... more from Gymkana :lol:

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Also, I think I have mentioned this on here before... but I'm pretty sure the shutter on my X-Pro2 is crapping out. Anything shot above 1/4000s with the mechanical shutter is 2-3 stops under exposed :( It's annoying me enough that I'm seriously considering selling it and getting an X-E3 to hold me over until the X-Pro3 releases.

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May 25, 2019 12:44 |  #10056

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well if that the case I don't think this camera was marketed for your friends shallow pockets..
just like it certainly wasn't targeted for me.. could I get one? yeah .. but that's 11k for me after taxes just for the body.
I had plans for a new car this year.
and as I just went over, to upgrade some of my "supporting" gear.

in anycase I think if this gfx1o0 performs in real world scenario's like Fuji says it will then they have definetly changed the definition of what the best option for Professionals is. Not in every field of course. but in many fields the argument that anything bigger than full frame is too slow or that IQ differneces are not that big.

if you are shooting senior portraits and at most the largest that is being printed is an 8 x 11 for grandma then obvioulsly this camera isn't meant for you.. I mean you could easily get away with a one of the latest m4/3 cameras.

so I think a lot of amateurs and so called enthusiasts are only looking within themselves to judge whether or not proffessioanls can use this camera or will get this camera

I should say I'm so impressed with Fuji for being so aggressive in creating such a beast camera. Taxes in that camera is $15,000 CDN for the body only. For a high profile photog like Annie Leibovitz the GFX100 would be a drop in the bucket. The fierce competition that normal mortal "pro/semi pro" photogs experience would be unobtainable.

If Fuji really wanted to create a great performing body at a higher tier than the popular APS-C fuji bodies, please create a GFX50 mk2 with more responsive on board processors for faster AF. That'll still be spendy but not 10K USD.

The Fuji aps-c is the sweet spot for fuji users for form factor, price and performance. We all welcome some growth in sensor performance and to achieve an upgrade the GFX50 and GFX100 is the only alternative.

Would be interesting to hear how the XH1 shutter button will be well received in the new GFX100 body. I suppose there are benefits to having a soft touch button to not disturb the movement of the body while shooting 102MP.

102mp is very niche for most here on the POTN. I think the this is a PRO body as lugging 3lbs for street photography is seriously hardcore!


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May 25, 2019 14:17 |  #10057

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... so I think a lot of amateurs and so called enthusiasts are only looking within themselves to judge whether or not professionals can use this camera or will get this camera

I think that in this phrase you are nailing Fujifilm's game. And the name of the game is shifting loyalty. On that interview from Fuji's manager, he mentions that the camera market has not grown, but instead the movement is coming from people buying their next camera if they are shifting towards to other format systems or not.
I think that getting professional photographers from the high spectrum of the industry to think about shifting from their canon/nikon universe towards to the GFX format will naturally increase the brand perception for the Fuji X system next user. Fuji with the GFX is just increasing their base of "converters" (or ship-jumpers) in the professional elite market, I suppose.


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May 25, 2019 14:46 |  #10058

Thank goodness for Alan constantly comparing Fuji to other brands... :-P


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May 25, 2019 20:03 |  #10059

ok so a blend of 2 photos..

I like it .. but wish I could have gotten a cleaner line of separation..
unfortunately with a city with so many people and constantly changing enviroments .. and the fact that the idea didnt come to mind till after I had already taken the pics,, makes things a little sloppy

I like the defocused mid part.. but its a bit sloppy..

something to work on in the future.. could be an interesting idea for street shots? maybe.. will definetly require patience

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May 25, 2019 20:35 |  #10060

Outside the Neil Young show in Portland on 5/17...

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May 25, 2019 23:28 |  #10061

70% of the GFX 50s/r buyers have been DSLR users.

Who are the GFX 100 customers?

People who already use medium format. If you have a $50,000 Phase back, a $10,000 walk around and backup camera sounds reasonable. If you have a 50 and want more bit depth/resolution/AF speed/etc.

People who want a high-end video look. Again, this is cheap compared to the other ways to get there.

People who are less price sensitive and just want the best combination of general usefulness with outrageously good IQ.

Advertising photographers.

High end fashion photographers.

High end food or product photographers.

Etc.

This camera is not aimed at amateurs who are price sensitive. It is not aimed at most working pros, since it does not add significant financial value to *most* professional work--better? Yes. Get paid more for it? No.

But where it does add value, there is nothing available for less than 3 times the price which can do as well or better for IQ. And even if you spend 5 times as much, you can't get very good AF (only one center point AF which sucks), it weighs much more and has no ibis.

So, for what it is, it is a bargain for $10,000. It is also a camera most do not need. :)

Want? That is an entirely different question. ;)


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May 26, 2019 02:45 |  #10062

Over here the 100s is €8250 plus tax (23%). I can claim 100% of that tax back and as its an asset use it to reduce my year end tax bill over a few years. As a working pro the true cost of owning it is really not that much as long as your business income can support the spend. But for non working ‘pros’ (you know what I mean) that is a lot of investment of sure and I doubt many will buy it. Heck of a spec of the 10k+tax all the same. Anyway you can always line item the hire of it (to the client) in the quote.

Yes the single point on the phase is ‘interesting’ to shoot with. It does have a second smaller area that you can select within that for more accurate point of focus. But once it locks on some weird magic goes on when you re compose to keep it on point. Somehow it works. Also that sensor is 2.5 times bigger then the puny 135mm some people go on about needing as the require the best image quality and then diss the cost while in the same breath dissing any smaller sensor. Does make me chuckle at times.

Fuji done good with this one I think for those who find a use for 16bit 100mp large sensor video/photo.


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May 26, 2019 08:35 |  #10063

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enjoy!

Back when I shot Canon, my absolute favorite lens was the 50L/1.2 prime. When I switched to Fuji, I got the 35/1.4, but I sold it and got the 23/1.4, and nowadays I actually prefer the slightly wider focal length. Maybe i shot 50mm too much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OH I love my 35mm f1.4. If I had just one lens to pick I think I would go with it. But sometimes its just not wide enough and the 18mm f2 is too wide sometimes. With that and the though of the 23/56 being a nice little combo I said screw it.

So far so good with the 23 but I really need to just dedicate a day of just shooting with it to get a really good feel for it.




  
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May 26, 2019 13:33 |  #10064

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OH I love my 35mm f1.4. If I had just one lens to pick I think I would go with it. But sometimes its just not wide enough and the 18mm f2 is too wide sometimes. With that and the though of the 23/56 being a nice little combo I said screw it.

So far so good with the 23 but I really need to just dedicate a day of just shooting with it to get a really good feel for it.

Yup! That’s my daily combo, the 23/1.4 and 56/1.2. The 50-140 comes out for soccer season and the occasional portrait, but the 23 and 56 covers me.


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May 26, 2019 20:01 |  #10065

some IS on this lens would have made it perfect for me...

but as i've said before , the sigma's main home will be on the gh5 for video work

While its fun to use on the Fuji.. I certainly wouldnt recommend anyone get it , plus adapter just to use it on a Fuji camera.. Fuji makes enough quality lenses.. yes its a nice convenience to have 50-100 at a constant 1.8 .. but unless you are purely using it in studio or on a tripod , the AF is too slow for anything other than posed shots or tripod shots (landscapes , cityscapes etc)

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