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SuperSirLink wrote in post #18878577
Aging?!?

I suppose that would be acceptable to say.....

The X-t2 feels sluggish beside an X-t3. Although I appreciate the quad processor in the X-t3 I still cannot buy one. I do not use my fuji for any demanding sports or fast action.

This does not mean the X-t2 is bad. If the AF speed and overall navigation meets your demands, this is all that matters.

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18878656
I'm not upgrading to the X-t3. I think I'll skip and wait for X-t4 because what I shoot does not normally demand faster AF capabilities.

I am in the same camp, in fact I shoot more on adapted Nikon glass more than my Fuji glass...

AlanU wrote in post #18878963
I suppose that would be acceptable to say.....

The X-t2 feels sluggish beside an X-t3. Although I appreciate the quad processor in the X-t3 I still cannot buy one. I do not use my fuji for any demanding sports or fast action.

This does not mean the X-t2 is bad. If the AF speed and overall navigation meets your demands, this is all that matters.

Your logic baffles me... That X-T2 is just as capable today as it was on release day. Nothing about it ages, it's not a wine or some cheese... The only aging in your example is your perspective... You are far too focused on gear...

In all the Fuji centric circles I have been a part of, the general consensus is the love comes from the exact opposite approach you seem to take. The love of Fuji is about the experience, the homage and the connection to a more classical time in photography. Are there more technically capable cameras, sure; but is there any other camera that connects you as closely to the craft, I would say no. I still shoot film, and I can pick up my FM2 or my X-T2 and my approach is the same exact process. An X-T2 hasn't aged any more than my FM2...

People don't drive manual cars and complain that shifting holds them back and it doesn't shift as fast as an automatic car. They drive a manual to provide tactile feel and to connect themselves to the experience of driving...

I still use an X-Pro1, which according to Internet logic is so old and slow it is basically incapable of producing photographs. Even if it could they would only be 16MP anyway.

FML.

I have thought about picking up a XPro1 to keep in my work bag... Never shot on a range finder and have been wanting to add the experience to my repertoire...

XT1 here also though I am using it less. Next road trip I am carrying the GFX with me, unless I get the XT-30 I have waiting for to get shipped.

They probably go for very little now, I imagine. Fuji continued to upgrade the firmware for it, as they do, and it now has focus peaking and other improvements compared to when it was released. I enjoy using mine, and have no need to upgrade either of my cameras because they still work and my needs are modest.

These were shot in true Rangefinder style: pre-focus, small aperture for wide depth of field, wait.

love that black and white!

Thanks. Been shooting a lot less black and white lately but the scene really lent itself to monochrome.

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18878656
Ramble for me as well...

FF lust is heavy. I succumbed to it when I upgraded from a Rebel T1i to a 6D. Then I bought the newer 7D2 and indeed did like my files better from the FF system because I shot a lot at night. The 7D2 demanded good light for clean exposures.

I ditched the Canon gear and went Fuji to reduce weight and bulk for my trip to SW Ireland a few years back. I also invested in more light mods and learned to use light better almost negating the need for a FF sensor. My night shots are primarily on a tripod so the difference in noise is not a deal breaker. Nor should it be.

I really see no other reason to have FF lust. I buy good glass and luckily Fuji glass is pretty much ALL good. I don't worry about bokeh anymore. Shooting f2 or 2.8 gives me what I need, even on a crop sensor. The MINOR difference if I went with FF is just not enough to make me want to lug around big lenses again. My 50-140 is too big. Never going back.

If pixel peeping is your thing then I think you are missing the magic of photography. For me it's about the STORY of the image, expressed by light, composition and perhaps color... and less about the sharpness in the corners or the noise.

My best shooting friend went Sony (from Canon FF as well, 6D and 5D3) and he is stuck on the FF sensor being superior as well. I told him he listens to too much Jared Polin. My other friend shoots mostly sports and has went all-in with Olympus and is loving the experience of m4/3 (he was also a Canon FF shooter).

IF I shot primarily at night and/or astro I'd probably submit to a FF body... but thankfully I only do that rarely and what I have is adequate.

Regarding GFX... now I admit having some lust for it. Four things stopping me from me from entry though; Price, size, weight and file size. Two of those being why I ditched Canon FF. I don't want to have to deal with 50mp files either. My computer is slow enough ingesting 24mp files. I would like to rent and give it a go someday. I am very happy that Fuji is pushing the envelope and developing the system. It shows that they are interested in innovation, and that for me is huge. The GFX100 is truly groundbreaking. We'll see how Hassy responds this week with it's X2D.

I'm not upgrading to the X-t3. I think I'll skip and wait for X-t4 because what I shoot does not normally demand faster AF capabilities.

And for those of you that shoot 2 or 3 different systems... well god bless ya but I just cannot wrap my noodle around investing in so many systems. If a job demands something different than what I have I'll rent (or borrow) but investing thousands into a completely different brand/ecosystem would not be ideal for ME.

/steps down from soap box

Happy Father's Day!

We should use what pleases us and what meets our needs. This is not about emphasis on gear acquisition. I know people that are happy with the M43 for sports shooting. I really do fail to see how they can tolerate the noise in low light stadiums but everyone has their own noise tolerance. Even the affordable new Sony 200-600 zoom with $2000 A73 would out perform an EM1X m/43 in many aspects. I'll admit Olympus did beef up the performance of the processing of files. According so some financial reports the Oly EM1x has severely hit Olympus hard due to extremely poor sales. This is due to the $3000 USD sticker price on very large body that uses the small M43 sensor. Each to their own but the ones I know who shoot m43 love the system for good light wildlife photography as long telephoto lenses are more affordable.

As I own 3 systems I am just grateful for owning what I have. Everything just suites my needs but I'll eventually only shoot 2 brands only. Many lenses/Sony body combo's are not too far in weight of my Fuji body combos.

Indeed the GFX100 is truly a potent system. The comments of "ditching Nikon/Canon DSLR's" cannot be incorporated in the following of the GFX100, as it's bulky as many DSLR mirrored bodies. Many using the GFX are different types of photographer's demanding an upgrade over the aps-c Fuji system for certain types of photography. Thankfully a different tool kit for Fuji users.

I think Fuji will cave in and add IBIS to the newer X bodies. This will be a move for survival in the realm of mirrorless.

AlanU wrote in post #18879169
I think Fuji will cave in and add IBIS to the newer X bodies. This will be a move for survival in the realm of mirrorless.

I certainly hope so. Another reason why I'm holding out for the X-t4.

I know, cameras with large bodies and small sensors suck yet some manufactures just keep pumping them out

SuperSirLink wrote in post #18879088
Your logic baffles me... That X-T2 is just as capable today as it was on release day. Nothing about it ages, it's not a wine or some cheese... The only aging in your example is your perspective... You are far too focused on gear...

In all the Fuji centric circles I have been a part of, the general consensus is the love comes from the exact opposite approach you seem to take. The love of Fuji is about the experience, the homage and the connection to a more classical time in photography. Are there more technically capable cameras, sure; but is there any other camera that connects you as closely to the craft, I would say no. I still shoot film, and I can pick up my FM2 or my X-T2 and my approach is the same exact process. An X-T2 hasn't aged any more than my FM2...

People don't drive manual cars and complain that shifting holds them back and it doesn't shift as fast as an automatic car. They drive a manual to provide tactile feel and to connect themselves to the experience of driving...

The X-E1, X-Pro1 is also just as capable as today upon it's release. The modern chain of events cause improvements. My personal projects and hired events do cause my demands to go higher in my gear performance. Newer revisions tend to improve upon the last generation. As you stated you shoot adapted glass, this requires human effort in focus. Your personal needs are just as different as others on this forum.

The car analogy is interesting. There is a person that drives a car and then there are people that love to drive. I'm a car enthusiast and this is where the range of people vary just as much as photographers. I had a cintered iron clutch and did 1.5 foot wheelies in my 11 second street car 1965 VW beetle but I also own a bone stock restored 1967 VW beetle with vintage plates, Toyota corolla, Honda Pilot and Odyssey. Even my cars all have different purposes

I'm a person that will not dramatically proclaim Fuji has soul in usage of a modern camera that looks retro. The connection to photography is between the human subject/object you are taking photos. I do not seek this in handling gear with emotion. Manual knobs are very good but I navigate equally as well with buttons on my Sony or Canon. If the latest Canon EOS M mk2,3 etc creates a retro knobby configuration I'd use it just like as if it was an appliance. Fuji's approach with the new GFX100 that has reduced this "tactile emotional experience" and has become functional as if you are using a microwave with LCD display!! Their approach is perhaps based on more weather sealing in the reduction of knobs.

Gear is just tools. Selecting FF gear for me is just as pertinent as you picking a zoom or prime for certain applications. If I buy a new lens it based on how it will provide me certain compression, bokeh, speed of AF acquistion, colour etc. I'm "focused on gear" based on what I demand. I'm just as active in changing my style of photography and self educate on my studio I've done for many years in my home studio. As my income has zero baring on photography i'm enjoying it even more as a hobbyist. I've been there and done from natural light shooting/studio and thankfully I do not need supplemental from photography. I definitely buy gear to meet my needs as some lenses cannot provide the look I want. I also buy bodies as my high speed keeper and high iso demands are met with my other gear vs Fuji. Yes...skill in composition is not developed by gear.....that is understood

F2Bthere wrote in post #18878460
How about this?

1. Camera, lens and lighting source up to the photographer unless they have already committed to a particular piece of gear above.

2. Subject not to be known to the photographer before photo session. You have to meet the person, ask, engage in photography and make final image all in one go.

3. Photo to be exposed during the seven days after the agreed start.

4. Anyone reading these rules is welcome to jump in during the seven days.

What do you say?

So who is in? TwoHotShoes and AlanU? Anyone else? Are we ready to start?